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Old Yesterday, 07:34 AM   #1
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Single Action Ruger Question

I'm going to be buying a building a gun soon and i have a few questions.


Is the Ruger Blackhawk 3 screw .357 Flattop the same size as the non Flattop .357 Blackhawk? "excluding the top strap of course" Or is the flattops frame slightly smaller?

Second question, is the .357 3 screw blackhawk smaller than the .44 3 screw Blackhawk?



Vaqueros now, Is the old model Vaquero bigger than the 3 screw .357 Blackhawk?

What calibers did the old model vaqueros come in and are all the old Vaqueros the same size despite caliber?


I'm basically trying to find the smallest gun to start my project on. Thanks
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Old Yesterday, 11:45 AM   #2
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1. YES
2.YES
3.YES. YOU SIR, need to read the many fine books on ruger SA sixguns as they are fascinating !!
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The Old model 3-screw 357 is the smallest of all the Blackhawk series of SA pistols.

And so it goes...
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Old Yesterday, 12:30 PM   #3
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Left to right in this photo of three Three Screw Rugers are a 44 Mag Flat Top, a 357 Mag non-Flat Top for want of a better term, and a 357 Mag Flat Top. It should be obvious from the photo that the cylinder of the 44 Mag has a larger diameter and is longer than the 357 cylinders, and that means the frame has to be larger too. Whether or not the Three Screws were Flat Tops or had the ears protecting the rear sight did not make any difference in frame size.




Probably not so obvious in this photo, but the 'original model' Vaquero at the top of the photo has a larger frame than the New Vaquero below it. The 'original model' Vaqueros all had the same large frame as a modern New Model Blackhawk with the transfer bar, regardless of caliber. The 357 'original model' Vaqueros were very heavy guns because the cylinders were so large and the holes were so small.

The 'original model' Vaqueros were available chambered for 357 Mag, 44 Mag, and 45 Colt. There were also some chambered for 44-40, but not very many, and there were some available with convertible cylinders for 38-40 and 40 S&W, but there were not very many of those made either.


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Old Yesterday, 05:23 PM   #4
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Thanks guys i have the info i need. I'll search for a 3 screw 357.
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Old Yesterday, 06:53 PM   #5
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Not to rain on your parade, but in 1972 when Ruger introduced their "improved" Blackhawks they also brought forth a conversion kit that included a transfer bar safety for the previous three-screw models. They offered it for free to owners that wanted the advantage of being able to carry with the cylinder fully loaded. Tens-of-thousands took him up on it and sent guns back to the factory.

I suspect you might be visibly upset if you spent big-bucks for the older model and it arrived with the aforementioned modified lockwork. Since whatever you get will be second-hand, be sure what you are buying.
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Old Yesterday, 07:15 PM   #6
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Not to rain on your parade, but in 1972 when Ruger introduced their "improved" Blackhawks they also brought forth a conversion kit that included a transfer bar safety for the previous three-screw models. They offered it for free to owners that wanted the advantage of being able to carry with the cylinder fully loaded. Tens-of-thousands took him up on it and sent guns back to the factory.

I suspect you might be visibly upset if you spent big-bucks for the older model and it arrived with the aforementioned modified lockwork. Since whatever you get will be second-hand, be sure what you are buying.
Thanks for your concern but i'm aware about that. I'll be sure to make sure it's non converted. I also read that they can be easily converted back so it may not be a big deal if i get a converted one.
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Old Yesterday, 10:29 PM   #7
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Thanks for your concern but i'm aware about that. I'll be sure to make sure it's non converted. I also read that they can be easily converted back so it may not be a big deal if i get a converted one.
When you can find them, the parts to un-convert them go around $200 ~ $225.

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Old Yesterday, 11:07 PM   #8
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When you can find them, the parts go for...
Indeed. I'm looking for a Super Blackhawk hammer.

Want one for my Old Model .41...


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Old Yesterday, 11:37 PM   #9
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When you can find them, the parts to un-convert them go around $200 ~ $225.
I have come across a couple of converted Three Screws. I have never come across the parts to unconvert them. Ruger absolutely will not sell you the parts. I pass every time I come across a converted Three Screw.
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Old Yesterday, 11:42 PM   #10
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What i meant by easy was no modifications required. I was hoping a company reproduced the original parts for a reasonable price. Any out there?
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Old Today, 01:01 AM   #11
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Just for grins I just checked out Numrich Arms (www.gunpartscorp.com) who are a big supplier of surplus parts. When it came to Ruger 3-screw Blackhawks they had a few screws, pins, stocks, and springs - but otherwise ZIP.

I don't believe anyone is making aftermarket parts, as these revolvers have been history since 1972. Ruger themselves will only sell the conversion parts, and those that carried over from the old to new models such as ejector tubes and rods, adjustable sights, etc.

Your best bet by far is to go to some of the quick/fast draw web sites and see if anyone has a 3-screw fanner for sale. Not likely but sometimes lightning strikes. Expect that anything you find probably has considerable mileage on it.
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What i meant by easy was no modifications required. I was hoping a company reproduced the original parts for a reasonable price. Any out there?
No.
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Old Today, 03:21 AM   #13
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I'm guessing the .357 new model Vacquero would be the smallest/lightest as the top strap is or appears thinner than the blackhawk.
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Lipseys offer a .357 / 9mm convertible flattop based on the .357 size new Vaquero frame:
http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.as...mno=RUKNVB-34X
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