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Old June 6, 2016, 08:41 PM   #1
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uberti going to transfer bars and wire springs in all saa models

So with uberti joining the pile of companies that load their saa clones with wire springs and extra safety garbage who is left that still makes a actual saa

https://youtu.be/XbnlwovDTw8
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Old June 6, 2016, 08:51 PM   #2
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Colt. If you can get one.
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Old June 6, 2016, 09:03 PM   #3
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Uberti still sells the Cattleman and El Patron models with the original design. If you don't like the Horseman (transfer bar) or Cattleman II (retractable firing pin) there are still plenty of variations of the old design to choose from.
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Old June 6, 2016, 09:06 PM   #4
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I have no idea what Pietta is going to do, but in any case I'm sure it won't be hard to find an older "traditional" models of both Uberti and Pietta manufacture.

And it may be that the new design is backwards convertible, although this might be expensive.

I have thought for some time that sooner or later importers/distributors were going to get worried about being sued when some idiot shot himself.
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Old June 6, 2016, 10:32 PM   #5
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uberti going to transfer bars and wire springs in all saa models
Howdy

Try watching the video again. It is not a transfer bar in the same sense of the Ruger transfer bar, ie, it is not a piece of steel that transfers the hammer energy to a frame mounted firing pin.

It is a retractable firing pin mounted in the hammer, and when the trigger is pressed all the way, a 'transfer bar' pushes the firing pin all the way out so it can strike the primer.

Nowhere in the video is anything mentioned about wire springs. Uberti has been using a Ruger style coil spring for the hand for quite some time now. However, all the other springs, hammer spring and split bolt/trigger spring are still traditional leaf springs.

And yes, leaf springs do break. Here is a traditional 2nd Gen Colt leaf type bolt/trigger spring that broke in the traditional manner. A replacement wire bolt/trigger spring will not break.




P.S. It is stated right in the video that a traditional hammer and trigger can be fitted to these guns.
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Old June 7, 2016, 12:18 AM   #6
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Yes I understand flat springs break but I don't want flat springs and other added bits in a saa for the same reason I don't want a nickel plated glock with flat springs what's the point of it at that point
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Old June 7, 2016, 01:01 AM   #7
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You can still buy an Uberti with the traditional Colt type lockwork.
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Old June 7, 2016, 08:29 AM   #8
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I shot enough rounds through a pair of Ruger Vaqueros to break hammer plunger coil springs in both guns. I've also broken flat bolt springs and hand springs in Colt clones. I have no problems with modifications that increase reliability. I guess that's the point at that point.

That said, I prefer the traditional hammer arrangement on my original Colts and clones.

I do the handgun types section in a couple of local NRA basic pistol classes. I see a lot of shooters, both new and experienced, that have little or no familiarity with single action handguns. So I understand that manufacturers are concerned about increasing safety and in addition, must meet import restrictions that require some safety features.
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Old June 7, 2016, 08:41 AM   #9
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well I just let go of a uberti hombre model that had the old colt style firing pin in hammer as I had a accident one night, so i got in a heritage big bore revolver in 45c and it has the transfer bar and frame mounted firing pin in which is much safer to use and even tho they say keep hammer under empty chamber i can tell you its just like my Nef model R92 22lr pistol its safe to carry all six due to having to hold the trigger fully rearward so the hammer can extend its energy into the the transfer bar in which goes into the firing pin and sets the round off! other wise with hammer all the way down and finger not on the trigger it cannot fire a round otherwise!
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Old June 7, 2016, 08:44 AM   #10
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That was one difficult to read sentence.
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Old June 7, 2016, 05:05 PM   #11
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"uberti going to transfer bars and wire springs in all saa models
So with uberti joining the pile of companies that load their saa clones with wire springs and extra safety garbage who is left that still makes a actual saa"

In my old age I've learned it pays to take a deep breath and give things a second (or even first!) look to understand them better before posting on a forum.

1 - Uberti does not use wire springs in their Cattleman II model, save for the tiny spring that controls the firing pin mechanism.

2 - Uberti is going wholly AWAY from the transfer-bar safety (their Horseman model)

3 - Uberti is also going wholly AWAY from the old quarter-cock safety (it looks like a wedge just under the firing pin), which amazingly nobody was complaining about.

4 - Uberti is furthermore going wholly AWAY from the double-notch base-pin safety, which people used to complain about (and not without reason, IMHO).

5 - Uberti is now going to use a simple retractable firing pin safety that has fewer moving parts than the current Cattleman (= two in total) and that, from outside, is perfectly undetectable. And for those who insist on hating it, this is 100% interchangeable with the old hammer and trigger assembly.

As for the "extra safety garbage," this enables them to sell to high-volume retailers that are concerned about liability. In order for your main product to remain viable in the USA, this is a reality, like it or not--definitely not a choice taken on a whim. Besides, I've seen and handled the guns and I urge those of you who haven't, to do so before forming an opinion.

Bottom line: if you want absolute purity, buy a 1st-gen SAA, shoot it with black powder and hope it doesn't blow up in your hands. If not, everything--including 2016 SAAs--are a compromise.
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