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Old August 19, 2016, 11:26 AM   #1
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Great ammo (BUFFALO BORE) for .30 Carbine Blackhawk

BUFFALO BORE FULL POWER+ U.S. 30 M1 CARBINE AMMUNITION

  1. 110 grain FMJ, Round Nose @ 2,100 fps
    1638 fps - Ruger Blackhawk, 7.5
  2. 110 grain Soft Point, Round Nose @ 2,100 fps
    1587 fps - Ruger Blackhawk, 7.5
  3. 110 grain JHP, Round Nose @ 2,100 fps
    1587 fps - Ruger Blackhawk, 7.5

THE PROBLEM:

The typical current commercially manufactured 30 M1 Carbine ammo is running at or below 1,900 fps with 110gr. bullets, when fired in good old US military 30 M1 Carbines, with their 18 inch barrels. When the US issued this military cartridge in 1941, it was designed to propel a 110gr. bullet @ 1970 fps out of the carbine…..it is possible to exceed 2,100 fps with 110gr. bullets and still be within the SAAMI max. average pressure limits of 40,000 CUP.

We are not making this ammo to be cheap blaster/plinking ammo, although you can certainly do that if you like. This ammo is designed to be useful in defending ones’ life or in harvesting game up to the size of 200 lb. critters.

All three of these Buffalo Bore 30 M1 Carbine loads are giving close to 2,100 fps in my various 30 M1 Carbines, as can be seen below.

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Old August 19, 2016, 12:30 PM   #2
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Is there more to this posting? Seems to be just information copied from buffalo bore's website
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Old August 19, 2016, 12:43 PM   #3
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Nope. Just that I've been looking for .30 carbine ammo that pushes the envelope for awhile.

Been reloading for a couple of months using 115 gr. hard cast (BHN 22), GC and 110 gr. Berry's plated bullets. Both using Hodgdon H110 and Starline brass. Need to get a chronograph to check out speeds at different distances.

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Old August 20, 2016, 04:54 AM   #4
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Jski is in fullBORE love with .30Carbine so watch out!
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Old August 20, 2016, 06:18 AM   #5
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AlfonsDeWolf,

Yep! It's kind of a weird combination of the Old West and WWII, the .30 Carbine Blackhawk. Two of America's greatest, most interesting periods. And nothing's wrong with that!

I do love American history, especially American military history.

Besides, it's a great gun! And fun!

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Old August 20, 2016, 07:41 AM   #6
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the muzzleblast must be impressive!
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Old August 20, 2016, 09:48 AM   #7
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Out of a handgun the muzzle blast is just obnoxious.......... Most of the people on the firing line around you at an indoor OR outdoor range will will pack up and leave after the first 2 rounds. As far as "harvesting game up to the size of 200 lb. critters".........sure......
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Old August 20, 2016, 12:29 PM   #8
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I've been shooting this puppy for years. And yes, if you fire ammo intended for an M1 Carbine with an 18" barrel you'll get a large muzzle flash. But I reload and I use the same charge I do for my .357: 14-15 gr. of H110.

And guess what? My Blackhawk .30 Carbine and my Blackhawk .357 are pretty much INDISTINGUISHABLE when firing.

The idea there's something inherent in the .30 Carbine cartridge that makes it unfit as a handgun cartridge is sheer NONSENSE!
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Old August 20, 2016, 01:26 PM   #9
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I used a .30 carbine and a Ruger .30 to kill nasty billy goats and other hard to catch live stock for years and it does work well. I used Remington 110 grain SP ammo and on a heart lung shot it is quick
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Old August 25, 2016, 04:29 AM   #10
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Gordon...ahhh, those dastardly billy goats. I've heard just one can take out a whole village!
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Old August 25, 2016, 05:51 AM   #11
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Isn't 15 grains of 110 pretty much max?
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Old August 25, 2016, 08:22 AM   #12
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15 gr. of Hodgdon H110 is pretty much max for a 110 gr. bullet. According to the Hodgdon Data Center.
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Old August 25, 2016, 02:48 PM   #13
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That's what I thought. This line confused me, as if 15 grains was somehow NOT a max load or something.

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And yes, if you fire ammo intended for an M1 Carbine with an 18" barrel you'll get a large muzzle flash. But I reload and I use the same charge I do for my .357: 14-15 gr. of H110.

And guess what? My Blackhawk .30 Carbine and my Blackhawk .357 are pretty much INDISTINGUISHABLE when firing.
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Old August 25, 2016, 05:07 PM   #14
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Keep in mind factory 30 carbine is made to function in the M1. I'm sure you can hot rod the 30 carbine to use in a Blackhawk. However 100 fps in a round already going almost 2000 fps is not a lot of gain.

My 110gr 30 carbine reloads, using a safe (between starting and max) load chronos at 2020 fps.

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Old August 25, 2016, 05:22 PM   #15
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What brand of dies do you guys use to reload?
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Old August 25, 2016, 07:11 PM   #16
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I reload for my Blackhawk using 12.2 gr of H110/296 under a 115 gr LRN coated bullet from Bayou Bullets.

I get an average of 1460 FPS, vs 1645 FPS with Aguila factory ammo.

My load clocks in at 1815 FPS out of my Universal Carbine, with Aguila at 2052 FPS.

You'll have to look through a lot of manuals to find published loads this light, but I've shot thousands of these with no nasty detonation.

I do use SRM primers.
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Old August 27, 2016, 12:31 PM   #17
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dbmjr1, if you're interested in a great website for your Universal, check out: Post WWII
Commercially Manufactured M1 Carbines
and Universal's Major M1 Carbine Design Overhaul.
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