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Old March 19, 2012, 09:54 PM   #326
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What weight on the Keith? I'd guess about 230gn?
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Old March 19, 2012, 10:18 PM   #327
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They are listed as being 215gr but they weigh closer to the original specd' 220gr. These bullets are cast by hand with a ladle ( all of his bullets are), they are from the Keith designed H&G #258 mould
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Old March 20, 2012, 06:13 AM   #328
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My own cast is all I shoot in my 4" Taurus titanium Tracker (ported). Granted I do not shoot a thousand a week when I am up north there. But there are those who would and maybe neglect to clean those ports once in a while.
If you care to read alot more about cast bullets give Castboolits Forum a gander. You can learn alot about cast bullet reality.
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Old March 20, 2012, 07:28 PM   #329
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Thanks for the info, Missionary.
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Old April 1, 2012, 03:40 PM   #330
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I finally got to the range today to try out my 220gr Montana Bullet Works bullets. I had 5 rounds each with 18.5gr and 19.0gr of 2400. The 18.5gr load was pretty stout to say the least, the 19.0gr load was more of a WHOA MOMMA Recoil with that load is all I ever care to endure to be sure. Both loads were very accurate at 10yd considering my meager skill, the 19.0gr charge was a bit tighter but not much, cases ejected with ease and there was no signs of excessive pressure. I plan on sticking with the 18.5gr load however as it and my 8.5gr Unique share the same point of impact. The 19.0gr load was about an inch or so below point of aim.

I also experimented by shooting some 215gr SWC bullets with 8.5gr of Unique with out LLA being applied. I had more leading than I expected so I'm going to continue lubing my commercial cast bullets with the stuff. I also have some 230gr Keith bullets on the way from Dry Creek can't wait to give them a whirl next I'm not planning running those to full throtle however. I'm going to see how they like 8.0gr - 8.5gr of Unique.
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Old April 1, 2012, 05:37 PM   #331
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I carried a S&W Model 58 as a duty gun.. I drew and fired 12 rounds of 210 grn Jhps over 19 grs of 2400 one round at a time, on my days off for 13 years.

It's a nasty load in a 58, but it did the job without fail when I needed it very very badly.
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Old April 1, 2012, 06:29 PM   #332
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It's a nasty load in a 58, but it did the job without fail when I needed it very very badly.
Yeah it was sure was nasty in the 4 5/8" Ruger BH as well. I curl my pinky under the grip as that is whats most comfortable for me. The dang bottom edge of those plastic grips tore a piece of skin off at the base of my pinky with that load ouch
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Old April 2, 2012, 06:31 AM   #333
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There does come a time when we start to value our atached hide and cover it with even just a lowly well fitting leather glove.
19 grains of 2400 with any bullet will get your attention. You can step up a hair to 296 with those high velocity crushers and there is a very slight recoil difference. Longer burn duration and less snap.
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Old April 2, 2012, 02:32 PM   #334
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Well I got one a while back and shot some lightweight (190 grain) cast hollow points on top of some Alliant 300 MP at some evil potatoes a week ago. The results were mashed potatoes being strewn about a 40 foot blast zone. So I am formally requesting membership acceptance to this prestigious organization. here are my credentials;





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Old April 2, 2012, 02:47 PM   #335
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Great looking revolver captain awesome and welcome aboard.
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Old April 3, 2012, 06:05 AM   #336
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Very nice revolver to start down the 41 mag road with. That will last you for many a thousand rounds. Still have the first RBH 41 mag I bought back in the 80's. Does not look like I will live long enough to wear it out.
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Old April 3, 2012, 12:08 PM   #337
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I've got a raging bull 6.5'' in .41mag and love it. Deer and hog killin machine.
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Old April 3, 2012, 09:21 PM   #338
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The 41 mag was my first centerfire handgun. I still have it a 4.625" transition new model BH, the cylinder is countersunk for the case rims. I also have a 6.5" NMBH of much later mfg. I primarily shoot cast 192gr. swc from a Lee double cavity mold, as for jacketed slugs still have oodles of Speer 200gr. 3/4 jkt. & Hornady old school 210gr. jhp. These are still my main big bores.
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Old April 4, 2012, 04:48 AM   #339
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lefty how do you like that Lee bullet? I've been thinking about getting some to try out since they have a good price on them here http://www.westernbullet.com/lee9195gr.html

What are you loading yours up with?
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Old April 6, 2012, 11:50 PM   #340
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Misfire Tarurus .41 mag fix

Anyone have a fix ..pull trigger lightly and no fire.is there a fix for this???Fires every time when I pull trigger , but not with the hammer pulled
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Old April 7, 2012, 12:03 AM   #341
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Are you saying it misfires single action, but does fire double action?
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Old April 7, 2012, 01:53 AM   #342
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Old April 7, 2012, 04:24 PM   #343
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Well good news for me associates I just recieved some 230gr Keith bullets in the mail from Dry Creek Bullet Works. As I stated in my last post I'll be running these to around 1100fps. Even at that velocity they should bore right through anything yet still be controllable to boot. I'll post a compilmentary pic in a few.
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Old April 7, 2012, 04:41 PM   #344
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As promised here is a pic


From L to R Montana Bullet Works H&G #258 220gr, DCBW 230gr Keith, and a 215gr commercial SWC. For those not familiar with the Keith style bullet you can see from the picture how the majority of the bullet weight will be outside of the cartridge case compared to the commercial bullet. Just like the LBT designs that have become so popular today this feature decreases pressures if loaded over a identicle charge of appropriate powder.
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Old April 28, 2012, 10:42 AM   #345
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I guess I am joining the club. I have a Taurus raging bull on the way. Any body have good loads
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Old April 28, 2012, 12:48 PM   #346
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336A, why do you only load for this caliber with bullets of the 220-230 grains range, there are heavier bullets out there, one I designed myself from http://www.mountainmolds.com/ ? I think I've read every book Elmer ever wrote and never seen your statement about pressure being lower with more bullet weight outside the case. In which of his books did you read this?
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Old April 28, 2012, 01:35 PM   #347
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I reload with 250 grain lead bullets ,shoot at 200 yards with my .41 mag. and hit the targets,with a 8" barrel with ease.
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Old April 28, 2012, 04:08 PM   #348
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336A, why do you only load for this caliber with bullets of the 220-230 grains range, there are heavier bullets out there, one I designed myself from http://www.mountainmolds.com/ ? I think I've read every book Elmer ever wrote and never seen your statement about pressure being lower with more bullet weight outside the case. In which of his books did you read this?
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Good afternoon S.B. I have made the decision to stick with these bullet weights just recently. Most notably after reading about the exploits of a fellow that goes by the name of Sixshot on other forums. I provided some links one page back. His friend shot a moose with a .41 using his (sixshots) SAECO cast 230gr Keith bullet bullet at 64 yards. the shot was head on between the shoulder knuckles, the bullet penetrated to the liver which it lacerated and was never recovered. It never exited but just the same it was never found. That has to be on the order of close to 4 feet of penetration The moose only went about 5yd and dropped IIRC. Again you can read about it by going back a page it is in one of my posts.

So really what more would a heavier bullet have accomplished other than generating more recoil for the shooter? For more insight as to who sixshot is you can read more about this great friend of Mike Barranti of Barranti holsters here http://www.barrantileather.com/Dick_Thompson.html

Don't get me wrong the heavy weights do have their place but I don't feel that their use is warranted as often as some think.

I can't exactly remember were I read about the pressure being less with more of the bullet weight being in the nose. I'll try to find it and post it for you when I do. However it is pretty evident by going to Hodgdond load data online. Compare the amount of H110 used in the cast performance 250gr WFNGC and the cast performance 265gr LFNGC bullet and you will see what I'm talking about.

Actually here is the article that details Keiths' genius in the development of his bullets http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell_Book_Chapter_12_KeithSWC.htm
BTW that is a nice bullet that you have there.
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Old April 28, 2012, 04:23 PM   #349
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But three bullets within the same weight range? You didn't even opt for a wider nose? And, I think velocity is what you are trying to say? We already know hard cast lead penetrates far better.
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Old April 28, 2012, 04:30 PM   #350
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It is hard to see from the pic but the 230gr SWC has a wider meplat than the other two bullets. For the 230gr bullet I plan on sticking to 1100fps this will accomplish anything that I plan on doing with a sixgun. Here is a great article as to why I have that velocity targeted for that bullet http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/index.htm What Mr. Stanton writes about in that article makes a lot of sense.

What Mr. Stanton wrote there was was actually done here in real life http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/view...ghlight=magnum

Velocity does more to extend range by flattening trajectory rather than improve killing power where cast handgun bullets are concerned. This was also demonstrated here in this article too http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=12
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