.41 Mag Association - Page 16

cmdc · July 27, 2012, 11:16 AM

I'm in. I have a 6" S&W 657, which is by far my favorite big bore to shoot, and a Ruger 4 5/8" Blackhawk. I had a 60s vintage 58 that I stupidly traded some years ago, so I'm looking to get one of the new ones S&W has in their classic line. Does anyone have one of these? How do they compare to the original?

336A · July 27, 2012, 12:47 PM

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If we can put together an order thru Midway (or another company) I'll take at least a thousand.

I hope that we can persuade Midway one or the other to get some of these bullets. From what I understand they were better than the Sierra bullet of the same weight. I also found out that when Remington sold this bullet as loaded ammo that it was a pretty hot load. A member on another forum picked some up at a gunshow near him. He chronographed them and got 1365fps from a 4" barrel. Basically it acted a lot like the vaunted 125gr .357 mag load. It would have been "THE" SD load for the venerable .41 mag if Rem didn't discontinue it.

336A · August 11, 2012, 09:00 PM

I just thought that some of you would like to see some backyard ballistic testing of the .41 mag. No it wasn't me and I don't have the specifics but it is impressive none the less.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-rev...w-41mag-2.html
Enjoy.

RJM52 · September 5, 2012, 12:06 PM

...no, they are my "backyard" tests....

Nice to see so many .41 "users"....

Bob

RJM52 · September 5, 2012, 12:09 PM

...and here is a list of currently available factory loads....

Remington
210 JSP

Wincehster
175 Silvertip
240 Platinum Tip

Speer
210 DeepCurl

Federal
250 CastCore
180 Barnes
210 JHP
210 Fusion
210 Swift A-Frame

CorBon
170 JHC
210 JHC
250 WFN Hardcast
180 Barnes DPX

Buffalo Bore
170 JHC
265 Hardcast
180 Barnes
230 Keith

Hornady
210 FlexTip
210 XTP

Georgia Arms
210 XTP
210 LSWC (Target Load)
200 Remington JHP
210 DeepCurl HP

DoubleTap
210 JHP
180 Barnes
250 Hardcast WFN

HSM
210 SWC
230 Keith GC
210XTP

Barnes
180 HP

Grizzly
250 Hardcast WFN
210 JSP

RJM52 · September 5, 2012, 12:46 PM

Three first year of production 1964 Model 57s...4-5-6"

..so am I in?

Bob

S.B. · September 5, 2012, 04:56 PM

RJM52, I've seen a lot of S&Ws over my lifetime but, no 5" first year, or any other year as far as that goes, model 57s? By the way diamond targets(Cokes) were long gone by the first year for .41 maggies.
Steve

Iggy · September 5, 2012, 05:38 PM

IIRC Cokes were never issued on anything but "early" 57's and 29's.

RJM52 · September 5, 2012, 05:55 PM

...the 5" was made from a very poorly taken care of 6". The end of the barrel was so pitted it would have been unsightly to polish smooth. The smith was able to closely duplicate the barrel crown and reinstall the front sight base right down to drilling and pinning it to the barrel rib..

According to Doc44 over on the S&W Forums, S&W custom made one 5" nickel that he now owns. He said he saw a picture of a blue one many years ago but has not been able to document whether it was factory cut down.

As to the Cokes...Iggy is correct. Cokes came on 57s through 1965 or1966 I believe. The ones on the 6" are original to the gun as I bought the gun unfired from the original owner in 1990. The ones on the 4" were on a model 27 I bought just to get the grips...and then sold the gun with a correct set of service stocks for more than I paid for it with the Cokes... If you look at the ammo tests on the S&W Forums the grips on the 1980 vintage Model 57 are what came on the 1964 4" above...

Bob

ps...the Standard Catalog of S&W states that Cokes came on 29s and 57s till the late 1960s...

336A · September 5, 2012, 06:04 PM

Thanks for joining us RJM52, it's nice to have folks with lots of knowledge on the .41 mag show up.

RJM52 · September 5, 2012, 06:16 PM

336A...I've been a member here since 2006...and just forgot about it. Then when over on the S&W Forums I saw that you had linked my post on the expansion tests to this post...so thank you for doing so...

...here is another .41 from the collection....

That one will probably push some people over the edge and order a FA...it is a real handy gun to carry...much smaller than a Ruger Flat Top .357...

Bob

Bush Pilot · September 5, 2012, 07:19 PM

Thanks for nothing on the pic of the .41 mag FA, you just got me running around chasing my tail wanting one, damn.

S&W657 · September 6, 2012, 02:12 PM

Count me in too!! I have a 657 (hence my handle) "Classic Hunter" model and a RBH with a 6 1/2 in barrel. The Smith is my all time favorite, and has taken a few deer here in Wi. The Ruger is my back up. I'm looking to get more, but they are hard to find. I've been reloading for several years and just started casting last winter...lot's of fun.

RJM52 · September 6, 2012, 05:13 PM

...U R most welcome Bush Pilot!!!

Desert Eagle with a 10" scoped barrel and 6" with Millett Adjustable sights...

..50 yards same day...

Bob

S&W657 · September 6, 2012, 06:10 PM

RJM52, You are my hero...

Bush Pilot · September 7, 2012, 01:12 AM

Is the Desert Eagle hard on brass? I've heard it chews up the brass on the way to throwing it all over the range.

RJM52 · September 7, 2012, 07:03 AM

BP..no, have not noticed any dinging of the brass at all. The only problem occasionally encountered is a failure to extract. The .41 uses the same bolthead as the .44 so sometimes the extractor will slip.

...and another .41.... Flat Top Limited Edition from Williams Shooting Supply....only 119 of the 4 5/8" guns made.

The original grips were too slim for my hands so I found these bonded ivory...

Bob

Iggy · September 7, 2012, 03:34 PM

This one ain't purty, but we was in some squabbles and always made it home.

After 40 some years, I finally broke down and bought another one.

RJM52 · September 7, 2012, 04:02 PM

...I keep tellin' ya Iggy...you need to write all those stories down cuz when U go the gun ain't going to tell um...

Bob

Iggy · September 7, 2012, 06:43 PM

RJM52,

Yeh, I know, but some of those stories just kinda need to ride off into the sunset.
Might be best if me and it went together.
Some folks have some funny notions about things, don'tchaknow......

I only mention it because in spite of what some say the ol .41 magnum M&P is one hell of a gun and the cartridge does it's job just like it was designed to do.

ko41 · September 7, 2012, 07:40 PM

This weekend I decided to shoot my Desert Eagle .41 Magnum at the last match of the season for our local USPSA club. I had a few failure to extract during the match, but it still is a hoot to shoot.

That is me starting at 3:17 and 5:07 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzIeGlBondU As you can see in the video, taking the off the safety and releasing the magazine are both two handed operations.

Added a 3 inch Taurus 425, 2.5 inch Taurus 415 and another Marlin 1894 CCL to my .41 Magnum collection recently.

My .41 Magnum Collection Slideshow

KO

**Walkalong** · September 7, 2012, 08:47 PM

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and another Marlin 1894 CCL to my .41 Magnum collection recently.

Another? Now I really am jealous.

Nice slideshow. A serious .41 Mag nut, huh.

RJM52 · September 7, 2012, 09:05 PM

ko..some good shootin' there...

You really need to keep that slideshow to yourself however...going to give someone a heart attack!!!

Really nice collection....

Some Taurus Trackers...4" stainless, 4" titanium and a 6" titanium....all great shooters...

15 yards...slow fire and rapid fire...both double action.

Bob

RJM52 · September 8, 2012, 05:28 AM

...discontinued NightGuard....

Bush Pilot · September 8, 2012, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJM52

...discontinued NightGuard....

They discontinued that Smith already? That didn't last very long.

August 11, 2012, 09:00 PM	#378
336A Member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 798	I just thought that some of you would like to see some backyard ballistic testing of the .41 mag. No it wasn't me and I don't have the specifics but it is impressive none the less. http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-rev...w-41mag-2.html Enjoy. __________________ If numbers killed I'd be hunting with a calculator Last edited by 336A; August 12, 2012 at 05:21 AM.

September 5, 2012, 04:56 PM	#382
S.B. Member Join Date: August 10, 2004 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 173	RJM52, I've seen a lot of S&Ws over my lifetime but, no 5" first year, or any other year as far as that goes, model 57s? By the way diamond targets(Cokes) were long gone by the first year for .41 maggies. Steve __________________ The Original Point and Click Interface was a Smith & Wesson

September 5, 2012, 05:38 PM	#383
Iggy Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,390	IIRC Cokes were never issued on anything but "early" 57's and 29's. __________________ Old Geezer

September 5, 2012, 05:55 PM	#384
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	...the 5" was made from a very poorly taken care of 6". The end of the barrel was so pitted it would have been unsightly to polish smooth. The smith was able to closely duplicate the barrel crown and reinstall the front sight base right down to drilling and pinning it to the barrel rib.. According to Doc44 over on the S&W Forums, S&W custom made one 5" nickel that he now owns. He said he saw a picture of a blue one many years ago but has not been able to document whether it was factory cut down. As to the Cokes...Iggy is correct. Cokes came on 57s through 1965 or1966 I believe. The ones on the 6" are original to the gun as I bought the gun unfired from the original owner in 1990. The ones on the 4" were on a model 27 I bought just to get the grips...and then sold the gun with a correct set of service stocks for more than I paid for it with the Cokes... If you look at the ammo tests on the S&W Forums the grips on the 1980 vintage Model 57 are what came on the 1964 4" above... Bob ps...the Standard Catalog of S&W states that Cokes came on 29s and 57s till the late 1960s... Last edited by RJM52; September 5, 2012 at 06:18 PM.

September 5, 2012, 06:04 PM	#385
336A Member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 798	Thanks for joining us RJM52, it's nice to have folks with lots of knowledge on the .41 mag show up. __________________ If numbers killed I'd be hunting with a calculator

July 27, 2012, 11:16 AM	#376
cmdc Member Join Date: April 1, 2010 Location: kansas city, mo Posts: 239	I'm in. I have a 6" S&W 657, which is by far my favorite big bore to shoot, and a Ruger 4 5/8" Blackhawk. I had a 60s vintage 58 that I stupidly traded some years ago, so I'm looking to get one of the new ones S&W has in their classic line. Does anyone have one of these? How do they compare to the original?

September 5, 2012, 12:06 PM	#379
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	...no, they are my "backyard" tests.... Nice to see so many .41 "users".... Bob

September 5, 2012, 12:09 PM	#380
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	...and here is a list of currently available factory loads.... Remington 210 JSP Wincehster 175 Silvertip 240 Platinum Tip Speer 210 DeepCurl Federal 250 CastCore 180 Barnes 210 JHP 210 Fusion 210 Swift A-Frame CorBon 170 JHC 210 JHC 250 WFN Hardcast 180 Barnes DPX Buffalo Bore 170 JHC 265 Hardcast 180 Barnes 230 Keith Hornady 210 FlexTip 210 XTP Georgia Arms 210 XTP 210 LSWC (Target Load) 200 Remington JHP 210 DeepCurl HP DoubleTap 210 JHP 180 Barnes 250 Hardcast WFN HSM 210 SWC 230 Keith GC 210XTP Barnes 180 HP Grizzly 250 Hardcast WFN 210 JSP

September 5, 2012, 12:46 PM	#381
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	Three first year of production 1964 Model 57s...4-5-6" ..so am I in? Bob

September 5, 2012, 06:16 PM	#386
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	336A...I've been a member here since 2006...and just forgot about it. Then when over on the S&W Forums I saw that you had linked my post on the expansion tests to this post...so thank you for doing so... ...here is another .41 from the collection.... That one will probably push some people over the edge and order a FA...it is a real handy gun to carry...much smaller than a Ruger Flat Top .357... Bob Last edited by RJM52; September 5, 2012 at 06:54 PM.

September 5, 2012, 07:19 PM	#387
Bush Pilot Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Posts: 980	Thanks for nothing on the pic of the .41 mag FA, you just got me running around chasing my tail wanting one, damn.

September 6, 2012, 02:12 PM	#388
S&W657 Member Join Date: January 19, 2012 Posts: 26	Count me in too!! I have a 657 (hence my handle) "Classic Hunter" model and a RBH with a 6 1/2 in barrel. The Smith is my all time favorite, and has taken a few deer here in Wi. The Ruger is my back up. I'm looking to get more, but they are hard to find. I've been reloading for several years and just started casting last winter...lot's of fun. Last edited by S&W657; September 6, 2012 at 02:22 PM.

September 6, 2012, 05:13 PM	#389
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	...U R most welcome Bush Pilot!!! Desert Eagle with a 10" scoped barrel and 6" with Millett Adjustable sights... ..50 yards same day... Bob

September 6, 2012, 06:10 PM	#390
S&W657 Member Join Date: January 19, 2012 Posts: 26	RJM52, You are my hero...

September 7, 2012, 01:12 AM	#391
Bush Pilot Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Posts: 980	Is the Desert Eagle hard on brass? I've heard it chews up the brass on the way to throwing it all over the range.

September 7, 2012, 07:03 AM	#392
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	BP..no, have not noticed any dinging of the brass at all. The only problem occasionally encountered is a failure to extract. The .41 uses the same bolthead as the .44 so sometimes the extractor will slip. ...and another .41.... Flat Top Limited Edition from Williams Shooting Supply....only 119 of the 4 5/8" guns made. The original grips were too slim for my hands so I found these bonded ivory... Bob

September 7, 2012, 03:34 PM	#393
Iggy Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,390	This one ain't purty, but we was in some squabbles and always made it home. After 40 some years, I finally broke down and bought another one. __________________ Old Geezer Last edited by Iggy; September 9, 2012 at 02:34 PM.

September 7, 2012, 04:02 PM	#394
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	...I keep tellin' ya Iggy...you need to write all those stories down cuz when U go the gun ain't going to tell um... Bob

September 7, 2012, 06:43 PM	#395
Iggy Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,390	RJM52, Yeh, I know, but some of those stories just kinda need to ride off into the sunset. Might be best if me and it went together. Some folks have some funny notions about things, don'tchaknow...... I only mention it because in spite of what some say the ol .41 magnum M&P is one hell of a gun and the cartridge does it's job just like it was designed to do. __________________ Old Geezer

September 7, 2012, 07:40 PM	#396
ko41 Member Join Date: July 29, 2007 Posts: 24	This weekend I decided to shoot my Desert Eagle .41 Magnum at the last match of the season for our local USPSA club. I had a few failure to extract during the match, but it still is a hoot to shoot. That is me starting at 3:17 and 5:07 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzIeGlBondU As you can see in the video, taking the off the safety and releasing the magazine are both two handed operations. Added a 3 inch Taurus 425, 2.5 inch Taurus 415 and another Marlin 1894 CCL to my .41 Magnum collection recently. My .41 Magnum Collection Slideshow KO Last edited by ko41; September 10, 2012 at 09:34 AM.

September 7, 2012, 09:05 PM	#398
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	ko..some good shootin' there... You really need to keep that slideshow to yourself however...going to give someone a heart attack!!! Really nice collection.... Some Taurus Trackers...4" stainless, 4" titanium and a 6" titanium....all great shooters... 15 yards...slow fire and rapid fire...both double action. Bob

September 8, 2012, 05:28 AM	#399
RJM52 Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 28	...discontinued NightGuard....