Anyone else had something like this happen?

VHinch · December 27, 2002, 02:42 AM

I've carried 230 gr. Hydra-Shoks in my 1911's for quite a while now, and been very pleased with them. Recently however, a shooting buddy suggested I try the Winchester white box "Personal Defense" load from Wal-Mart, and it groups better than anything else I've tried! I've now shot a total of about 900 rounds of this ammo through my 2 carry guns with no malfunctions and excellent results. Any reason not to switch to it as my carry load? On a side note, are there any other Kappa Sigma alumni here?

Thanks
Vance

Stephen A. Camp · December 27, 2002, 02:45 AM

Hello, sir. Over at www.ammolab.com there's been quite a bit of discussion on both loads you mention. You'll have to join the forum there if you wish to read/participate, I think. At the ammolab part, you can click on "test results" and then pick the caliber you want to see. Quite a bit of information, if interested.

Best.

boing · December 27, 2002, 12:06 PM

I carry it. It works.

Spackler · December 27, 2002, 12:29 PM

I think the White Box stuff is as good as or better than a lot of the high-dollar "designer" rounds out there.

3 gun · December 27, 2002, 02:25 PM

If it works in your gun and goes where you aim, no reason that I can think of not to use it. Plus the lower cost will allow you to practice more with your carry ammo.

Metatron · December 27, 2002, 02:27 PM

I like the white box. It's always been good to me.

I hear Strom Thurmond likes it too

Neal Bloom · December 27, 2002, 02:38 PM

Got the white box .45 for personal defense as a Christmas present. Haven't had the opportunity to try it yet. Others tell me that in .45 it is good. If it works in your gun then use it. A lot cheaper then the designer brands.

I am not impressed with the 9mm white box ammo from Wally World. It seems to shoot to the left out of my SIG and BHP. At first I thought it was me but when I use reloads I can see the difference. I buy it just to save the brass for reloading.

Can hardly wait to try the 45 ammo.

Metatron · December 27, 2002, 02:58 PM

I noticed a big difference between white box "personal defense" ammo and the white box "practice" ammo. The practice ammo I have a ton of, it is 1) cheap, and 2) brass cased, oh and 3) cheap.

triggertime · December 27, 2002, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VHinch
a shooting buddy suggested I try the Winchester white box "Personal Defense" load from Wal-Mart, and it groups better than anything else I've tried!

The last time I tried Winchester 230gr. 'Personal Protection' (USA45JHP), I wasn't too impressed with the level of quality control.

There were too many dented cases and lightly stamped case heads for my liking.

Accuracy wise, it was considerably less accurate than Speer 230gr. Gold Dot HP at 7 yards.

Chipperman · December 27, 2002, 06:51 PM

I would not hesitate to carry a load that I was confidant would go bang and would hit where I wanted it to go.

ChickenHawk · December 27, 2002, 07:02 PM

Not only that, but Wal-Mart is the only place I've found which sells the white-box in 100 count boxes.

These are packed loose (ie. not in the styrophome packaging that holds each cartridge). And the price is under $11.00 per box.

You can't beat it!!

ChickenHawk

blades67 · December 27, 2002, 08:59 PM

The Wal-marts in my area don't carry it.

MR.G · December 28, 2002, 04:21 PM

I never had a problem with the white box ammo. If it shoots good in your gun, use it.

BiG_MaN · December 28, 2002, 06:05 PM

With 900 rounds and no stoppages, I'd say use it by all means!

Coffee357 · December 29, 2002, 03:56 AM

Almost the same thing happened to me! The price drove me to
try it and I found it to shoot very reliably and POA/POI in my G19. I
saw the stats on it somewhere and compared it to my ol' standby
round (Federal 9bp). Seems like it expanded just a smidge less
and, as a result, went a smidge deeper in gelatin. With almost
1000 rounds of the Win white box JHP through my Glock, I trust
it absolutely. When I'm not loaded with 9BP, I'm loaded with
the Winchester. Seems to be a good load at a great price!

Coffee

Kevinch · December 29, 2002, 09:44 AM

Wow - I have to admit I didn't know about the white box PD ammunition. What is the .45ACP bullet weight, & how much does it cost?

Kevinch · December 29, 2002, 09:49 AM

Oh - & Stephen, you have an extra character in your link for AmmoLab. This will get you there: http://www.ammolab.com

Just thought I'd help out!

boing · December 29, 2002, 10:21 AM

I've only seen the .45 white-box JHP in 230 gr, and the 9mm in 115 and 147.

Just under $17 per 50 rd box at WalMart for the .45, and $11 for the 9mm.

Stephen A. Camp · December 29, 2002, 11:28 AM

Hello, Kevinch. Thanks. I went ahead and corrected the mistake with the errant comma.

Best.

VHinch · December 29, 2002, 10:15 PM

Kevinch- In .45, its a 230 gr. bullet, and my Walmart regularly has it for $15.99 for a 50 round box.

Orion · December 30, 2002, 12:53 PM

Metatron that kinda talk will get you in serious trouble.

Stephen I'm gonna go over and check out ammo lab. If it's less expensive and works well at what it's supposed to do why not use it.

December 27, 2002, 02:42 AM	#1
VHinch Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: GA Posts: 524	Anyone else had something like this happen? I've carried 230 gr. Hydra-Shoks in my 1911's for quite a while now, and been very pleased with them. Recently however, a shooting buddy suggested I try the Winchester white box "Personal Defense" load from Wal-Mart, and it groups better than anything else I've tried! I've now shot a total of about 900 rounds of this ammo through my 2 carry guns with no malfunctions and excellent results. Any reason not to switch to it as my carry load? On a side note, are there any other Kappa Sigma alumni here? Thanks Vance __________________ The sights are always aligned, you are out of alignment. Shoot what you carry, carry what you shoot.

December 27, 2002, 02:45 AM	#2
Stephen A. Camp Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 2,312	Hello, sir. Over at www.ammolab.com there's been quite a bit of discussion on both loads you mention. You'll have to join the forum there if you wish to read/participate, I think. At the ammolab part, you can click on "test results" and then pick the caliber you want to see. Quite a bit of information, if interested. Best. Last edited by Stephen A. Camp; December 29, 2002 at 11:26 AM.

December 27, 2002, 02:25 PM	#5
3 gun Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: N 041 24.000 W 081 43.000 N.E.Ohio Posts: 710	If it works in your gun and goes where you aim, no reason that I can think of not to use it. Plus the lower cost will allow you to practice more with your carry ammo. __________________ An unloaded pistol is a paperweight. Opportunity knocks..Trouble kicks down the door.

December 27, 2002, 06:51 PM	#10
Chipperman Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Essex Co, MA Posts: 4,577	I would not hesitate to carry a load that I was confidant would go bang and would hit where I wanted it to go. __________________ Eloi-- Tastes Like Chicken

December 27, 2002, 07:02 PM	#11
ChickenHawk Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 652	Not only that, but Wal-Mart is the only place I've found which sells the white-box in 100 count boxes. These are packed loose (ie. not in the styrophome packaging that holds each cartridge). And the price is under $11.00 per box. You can't beat it!! ChickenHawk __________________ I'm a ChickenHawk and you're a chicken. Are you gonna come along quietly, or am I gonna have to mush you up? [Warner Bros]

December 27, 2002, 12:06 PM	#3
boing Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: WNC Posts: 957	I carry it. It works.

December 27, 2002, 12:29 PM	#4
Spackler Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Central PA, USA Posts: 347	I think the White Box stuff is as good as or better than a lot of the high-dollar "designer" rounds out there.

December 27, 2002, 02:27 PM	#6
Metatron Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: OK Posts: 18	I like the white box. It's always been good to me. I hear Strom Thurmond likes it too

December 27, 2002, 02:38 PM	#7
Neal Bloom Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 334	Got the white box .45 for personal defense as a Christmas present. Haven't had the opportunity to try it yet. Others tell me that in .45 it is good. If it works in your gun then use it. A lot cheaper then the designer brands. I am not impressed with the 9mm white box ammo from Wally World. It seems to shoot to the left out of my SIG and BHP. At first I thought it was me but when I use reloads I can see the difference. I buy it just to save the brass for reloading. Can hardly wait to try the 45 ammo.

December 27, 2002, 02:58 PM	#8
Metatron Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: OK Posts: 18	I noticed a big difference between white box "personal defense" ammo and the white box "practice" ammo. The practice ammo I have a ton of, it is 1) cheap, and 2) brass cased, oh and 3) cheap.

December 27, 2002, 08:59 PM	#12
blades67 Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Mesa, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,771	The Wal-marts in my area don't carry it. __________________ Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat! I hunt, therefore I am. TFL #1212, THR #536, 1911forum #4208

December 28, 2002, 04:21 PM	#13
MR.G Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Posts: 523	I never had a problem with the white box ammo. If it shoots good in your gun, use it.

December 28, 2002, 06:05 PM	#14
BiG_MaN Member Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 5	With 900 rounds and no stoppages, I'd say use it by all means! __________________ MOLON LABE! 54' Chevy P/U Kimber .45 Last edited by BiG_MaN; December 29, 2002 at 12:45 PM.

December 29, 2002, 03:56 AM	#15
Coffee357 Member Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 132	Almost the same thing happened to me! The price drove me to try it and I found it to shoot very reliably and POA/POI in my G19. I saw the stats on it somewhere and compared it to my ol' standby round (Federal 9bp). Seems like it expanded just a smidge less and, as a result, went a smidge deeper in gelatin. With almost 1000 rounds of the Win white box JHP through my Glock, I trust it absolutely. When I'm not loaded with 9BP, I'm loaded with the Winchester. Seems to be a good load at a great price! Coffee

December 29, 2002, 09:44 AM	#16
Kevinch Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: SW Pa Posts: 433	Wow - I have to admit I didn't know about the white box PD ammunition. What is the .45ACP bullet weight, & how much does it cost? __________________ ...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law abiding) deprived the use of them. -- Thomas Paine TFL Alumni Senior Member

December 29, 2002, 09:49 AM	#17
Kevinch Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: SW Pa Posts: 433	Oh - & Stephen, you have an extra character in your link for AmmoLab. This will get you there: http://www.ammolab.com Just thought I'd help out! __________________ ...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law abiding) deprived the use of them. -- Thomas Paine TFL Alumni Senior Member

December 29, 2002, 10:21 AM	#18
boing Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: WNC Posts: 957	I've only seen the .45 white-box JHP in 230 gr, and the 9mm in 115 and 147. Just under $17 per 50 rd box at WalMart for the .45, and $11 for the 9mm.

December 29, 2002, 11:28 AM	#19
Stephen A. Camp Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 2,312	Hello, Kevinch. Thanks. I went ahead and corrected the mistake with the errant comma. Best.

December 29, 2002, 10:15 PM	#20
VHinch Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: GA Posts: 524	Kevinch- In .45, its a 230 gr. bullet, and my Walmart regularly has it for $15.99 for a 50 round box. __________________ The sights are always aligned, you are out of alignment. Shoot what you carry, carry what you shoot.

December 30, 2002, 12:53 PM	#21
Orion Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 110	Metatron that kinda talk will get you in serious trouble. Stephen I'm gonna go over and check out ammo lab. If it's less expensive and works well at what it's supposed to do why not use it. __________________ It was like this when I got here, TFL Handle Gonzo_308

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