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Old April 10, 2015, 11:58 AM   #1
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Carrying a belt knife and concealing a handgun in ohio

I know im being pretty specific here but i know i can carry a fixed blade belt knife in ohio, my usual folder has been opening in my pocket recently and ive been thinking about replacing it with a small fixed blade so that cant happen, my question is can i carry my concealed handgun with my belt knife or would carrying a handgun make my knife a "weapon". I know you ohio guys are smart and my lawyer is really expensive so and direction for my research is appreciated.
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Old April 10, 2015, 01:20 PM   #2
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I would think you have no problem with a 3" fix blade .

Only folder that has ever opened in my pocket . Was a switchblade and their not legal as I remember in Ohio. I lost a couple to the police when I was a teen. They took them and never turned it .
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Old April 10, 2015, 01:25 PM   #3
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While certainly not a legal opinion, I do it all the time and I have never seen or read anything that would make me believe that it would be an issue. I do have to chuckle that I'm prohibited from owning an automatic opening knife while carrying a 9mm legally.
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Old April 10, 2015, 01:28 PM   #4
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Resources....

Id check these websites: www.nra.org www.gunlawguide.com www.handgunlaw.us . WA area atty; David Wong wrote a detailed gun & knife law guide for travel/carry. Wong's book may be dated but he could give you the information you need.
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Old April 10, 2015, 02:35 PM   #5
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I would think you have no problem with a 3" fix blade....
Why do you think that? Can you cite an Ohio court decision or statute, or some other applicable legal authority, to support your conjecture? If you can't, what you think means exactly squat.

Folks, we are (1) being asked a direct legal question; and (2) it's about Ohio law. If you have relevant information actually addressing the OP's question, by all means post. If you don't, then don't post anything.

What you think, without appropriate supporting documentation, doesn't help. What the laws of other States might be doesn't help.
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Old April 10, 2015, 03:06 PM   #6
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True that:
the judge is not going to care what a few forum members advised him to do, if it is indeed illegal to do so. In other words like Frank said, if you don't know for sure, it's never a good idea to guide anyone for any legal matter.
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Old April 10, 2015, 06:24 PM   #7
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Here


http://www.knifeup.com/ohio-knife-laws/
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Old April 11, 2015, 01:19 AM   #8
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Except you should have included the link in your post 2 and explained how the article supported your contention.
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Old April 11, 2015, 06:58 AM   #9
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My understanding is that ohio law is subjective. If you are carrying to defend, you may be in trouble. If you're carrying as a tool, should be ok. "Should".
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Old April 11, 2015, 07:57 AM   #10
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Except you should have included the link in your post 2 and explained how the article supported your contention.
Wow, Frank. I guess "moderator" is not synonymous with "diplomat".
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Old April 11, 2015, 11:36 AM   #11
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Except you should have included the link in your post 2 and explained how the article supported your contention.
Wow, Frank. I guess "moderator" is not synonymous with "diplomat".
It is not. I'm a retired lawyer, and I take very seriously the need to for comments on legal matters to be accurate and, when necessary, well supported.
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Old April 11, 2015, 01:00 PM   #12
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It is not. I'm a retired lawyer, and I take very seriously the need to for comments on legal matters to be accurate and, when necessary, well supported.
None of your posts have provided any topical information either.

This might answer some questions:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.12
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Old April 11, 2015, 01:31 PM   #13
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It is not. I'm a retired lawyer, and I take very seriously the need to for comments on legal matters to be accurate and, when necessary, well supported.
None of your posts have provided any topical information either.

This might answer some questions:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.12
No, I haven't tried to answer the OP's question. I haven't tried to do so because I haven't done any research on the applicable Ohio law, nor do I have time to do so.

As far as your making reference to an Ohio statute, you've made an error that laypersons frequently make. You've focused on just one statute. However, there may be other Ohio law, either statutes or case law, which would also be material to the OP's issue. Furthermore, the statute you referred to might well have been interpreted or applied by Ohio courts in ways that affect how it might be applied by another Ohio court under the circumstances described by the OP.

You apparently haven't bothered to read the article linked to in post 7. Had you done so, you would have noted that the author makes reference to a number of Ohio court decisions relevant to addressing legal questions about the carrying of knives in Ohio.

So there is considerably more Ohio law material to the carrying of knives in Ohio than just the one statute you linked to.
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Old April 11, 2015, 05:24 PM   #14
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No, I haven't tried to answer the OP's question. I haven't tried to do so because I haven't done any research on the applicable Ohio law, nor do I have time to do so.
Then you aren't following your own advice

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If you have relevant information actually addressing the OP's question, by all means post.
If you don't, then don't post anything.
At least others have tried, even if it's not up to your personal standards.
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Old April 11, 2015, 05:49 PM   #15
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No, I haven't tried to answer the OP's question. I haven't tried to do so because I haven't done any research on the applicable Ohio law, nor do I have time to do so.
Then you aren't following your own advice
What an absurd statement. I have no intention of trying to answer the OP, because I haven't done the research, nor do I plan to do the research. Without doing the research, I know that I can't formulate a professionally adequate answer.

You obviously don't have similar scruples. Since you don't know what you don't know, you're more than happy to risk providing lousy legal information just so you can post something in this thread (and try to tweak my nose).

Since you are not a lawyer, you are free to be ignorant and irresponsible. I am not.

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If you have relevant information actually addressing the OP's question, by all means post.
If you don't, then don't post anything.
At least others have tried, even if it's not up to your personal standards.
My standards here are professional standards. This is not a game. The OP asked a real world question. Bad information could cause him to decide he would be free to act in a manner that could cause him significant legal trouble.
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Old April 11, 2015, 05:57 PM   #16
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Beating on the moderator doesn't help.

If you are carrying something that can arguably be used as a weapon, and under legal circumstances where possession (or form of carry) of the weapon may be illegal, you are at the mercy of the cop who discovers you.

Feel free to disagree.

But, proceed at your peril.
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Old April 11, 2015, 07:04 PM   #17
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Yeah, quit beating on frank, it doesn't help at all. I think im just going to have to cough up the money and email my attorney.
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Old April 11, 2015, 08:01 PM   #18
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....I think im just going to have to cough up the money and email my attorney.
I'm afraid that's probably the best idea. An Ohio attorney who is familiar the the applicable weapons laws, including court decisions, might be able to give you some useful information readily. I can't; and as a professional, I'm not going to tell you something I'm not sure you can rely on.

This is a serious matter for you, and you need solid direction.
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More posts with questionable information, so I'm going to end this now.
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