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Old September 11, 2014, 06:41 PM   #1
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Rifle value?

http://www.onlinegundeals.com/ItemDe..._NICE_USED.htm

Could anyone provide some insight into the price of this pre-64 Winchester? To be clear, I'm not interested in buying it, but this is a reputable dealer who I've purchased from before. Their prices are always competitive.

I have a model 70 in 30-06, but obviously it's not worth ten percent of this pre-64 version.

So what gives? Is it rare? Or is there something about the pre-64 models that distinguishes them? I've read a bit about the pre-64 models being preferable to newer ones, but then also that Winchester went back to controlled feeding and some other enhancements to improve their new model 70s in recent years.
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Old September 11, 2014, 06:50 PM   #2
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I could be wrong, but I believe pre-'64 Model 70's factory chambered for .35 Remington are incredibly rare. Perhaps the rarest factory chambering? (besides extremely limited numbers of 9x57 and 7.65 models for foreign sale) That one looks to be all-original, including steel (aluminum?) buttplate - not even a recoil pad added. Thus the price.
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Old September 11, 2014, 07:22 PM   #3
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One of the rarest.

The 35 Rem and the 300 Savage are very rare, thus the high price.
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Old September 12, 2014, 11:55 AM   #4
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Roger that. The caliber.....

seems like it is more powerful than the 30-30, but still not great at longer ranges. So more of a collector's item than anything else. Thanks.
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Old September 12, 2014, 12:25 PM   #5
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The same 1946 made rifle in the same condition in 30-06 MIGHT bring $1,000. But only to someone who didn't know what they were doing, or just wanted it real bad. Around $700 would be a fair price.

$9,999 for one in 35 Rem may well be a bargain. I don't keep up with collector pieces that much.
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Old September 12, 2014, 03:29 PM   #6
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I would say even though they are very rare I'd guestimate around $4,000.00.
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Old September 13, 2014, 08:35 AM   #7
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The pre 64 Model 70 is truly a fine rifle and a cut above most rifles that have been made in the past or are being made today. There are a few individuals who are willing to spend $4,000 for a rare version of the rifle like the 35 Remington but I am not one of them. I can't stand the idea of having a safe queen that isn't being used or of having a rifle that doesn't have a recoil pad. The good thing about the pre 64 Model 70 is that they are available today at prices that compare to a new Model 70. I see very good examples that are priced from about $800 to $1200. If I wanted a 35 caliber Model 70 I would buy a pre 64 Model 70 in 308 caliber and have the barrel re-bored for a 358 Winchester cartridge. The cost for the whole rifle would be about $1200.
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Old September 13, 2014, 10:32 PM   #8
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Fella's;

Yes, the overall condition of the gun plus the rare caliber are driving the asking price. Is it worth it? Only if somebody buys it at that number, I wouldn't. Now if it happened to be a pre-64 in the same condition in .22 Hornet, I might be tempted.

Now here's a question for the true and dedicated Winchester model 70 nut. There's the pre-64 guns, and there's the post-64 guns, right? So what happened to the 1964 guns? Or weren't there any?

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Old September 13, 2014, 11:54 PM   #9
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CF900B, the pre 64 rifles ended at serial No. 581471 and the last rifle was stamped on October 18, 1963.. The post 64 rifles started with serial No. 700000 and the first receiver was stamped on October 1, 1963.
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Old September 15, 2014, 04:27 PM   #10
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According to Rock Island Auction Company, the model 70 was offered in 35 Remington for four years; 1946-1949, Only 253 were made. They just concluded an auction in which no less than four examples were put up. Three were standard model 70s . All three were better looking than this one. Estimates were 3500-5000 on all three.

But then there was the fourth, a Target model, in 99% condition with original box It was estimated 20,000 - 30,000! I haven't checked prices realized yet but this one was lot # 1360 if anyone is interested.

It seems to me that the rifle in question, while rare indeed, is overpriced. But you know the old adage....it is worth whatever you can get for it....
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Old September 15, 2014, 06:47 PM   #11
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Fella's;

Yes, the overall condition of the gun plus the rare caliber are driving the asking price. Is it worth it? Only if somebody buys it at that number, I wouldn't. Now if it happened to be a pre-64 in the same condition in .22 Hornet, I might be tempted.

Now here's a question for the true and dedicated Winchester model 70 nut. There's the pre-64 guns, and there's the post-64 guns, right? So what happened to the 1964 guns? Or weren't there any?

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I have had acouple of 64 model 70s lately. The checkering has three diamonds in the middle of the patterns. I may be wrong, but I believe that they changed the pattern the following year.
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Old September 16, 2014, 05:12 PM   #12
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Not by any means a Winchester expert but, was that model drilled and tapped from the factory ?

The 35 Remington is not a long range cartridge to start, mounting a scope on that rifle with that amount of drop in the stock doesn't seem correct. I would make sure that hasn't been done after market.
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Old September 16, 2014, 05:28 PM   #13
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It was only chambered in .35 Remington from 1944-1947 so very few of them exist.
Don't have any information on an exact number.

According to Roger Rule's "Rifleman's Rifle" it is the 2nd scarcest pre 64 caliber. The .300 Savage is the scarcest.
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Old September 16, 2014, 08:23 PM   #14
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Just checked, that Target Model 35 Remington Pre-64 didn't meet reserve
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Old September 16, 2014, 08:33 PM   #15
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Of the other three 35s up for sale, two went for $3737 and I couldnt find the third , but I bet it went for the same price. They were all probably bought by the same person. Guy must be either a long term speculator, or a rabid 35 Rem fan.

by the way, CB900F, there was a pristine 22 hornet in the field, also. It went for $2300. Sorry. The 35Rems are worth more
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