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Old June 26, 2014, 10:29 PM   #151
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Maybe even active ANRs.
Do they respond quickly enough to be effective against gunshot noise?
ANRs work for machine noise, but don't work for impact/explosion/gunshot. There is currently no noise canceling technology responsive enough for gunshots so the best you can do is wear properly inserted HIGH NRR plugs under muffs.
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Old July 1, 2014, 09:52 PM   #152
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Even a hat with an ear flap is better than nothing at all, but get the plugs & muffs too.
Its a whole lot better than having to ask folks to repeat themselves...

I did a lot of 80's rock concerts & shooting all sortsa fun stuff over the decades...
Remember those old Army ballcaps with the flap?? That was often all I used with an M60...

I definitely don't catch as much as I used to...although I do hear odd noises quite clearly...
cracks my Wifey up that I can't hear her, but I can hear a creak from a door half a block away...
Protect yer ears...eventually, they'll have problems...
the more you do now, the less you'll have to miss later.
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Old July 1, 2014, 10:33 PM   #153
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I've had tinnitus for years and always use some type of protection when shooting anything over a 22 short. It's not always convenient but necessary. The best is to use plugs and muffs. Over last weekend , I grabbed a SKS to rid my pond of a large snapping turtle from the deck. I quickly grabbed some electronic muffs only and now the ringing has increased again. In the future I'll make time to insert the plugs first. I would still use even if I had a suppressor
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Old July 10, 2014, 04:43 PM   #154
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Hearing loss is real. I am a retired deputy sheriff with 30 years of service. When I first joined the office we went to the range and used no ear protection, no eye protection. No one knew back then that shooting with no ear protection caused cumulative permanent hearing loss. I must wear $ 3,500 hearing aids. My right ear is much worse than the left. I am right handed, and went to the range 4x a year for many years until someone discovered how dangerous it was to shoot without ear protection. It was too late for me and many other deputies. Please ALWAYS use ear and eye protection when shooting, save your hearing. Do not let something fly out and take your eye(s) out either. Take care of yourself, no one else will.
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Old July 16, 2014, 10:43 AM   #155
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My hearing doctor says part of the damage is caused by concussion, no hearing protection works against that.
Plugs and muffs do help, but understand that big guns are going to do damage regardless.
Too late for me.
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Old September 12, 2014, 09:28 AM   #156
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My entire shooting life (55 years) I was always conscious of the need for hearing protection with firearms, but.......... Using a hearing aid, I now have 85% hearing in my left ear and 10% in my right ear. I was stupid enough not to equate DB's from firearms to the recording studio control room.
20 years of sound engineering mostly rock music in the control room left me as I am today.
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Old September 16, 2014, 09:00 PM   #157
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I had always thought the pointed foam rubber ones on the flexible band would be handy. After using the pair I got they seem to do very little in noise reduction. Plus you can't use muffs with them because of sealing.
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Old October 12, 2014, 06:04 PM   #158
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conduction from butt stocks through bones to the nerves

Regarding the fact that we experience hearing damage "due to conduction from butt stocks through bones to the nerves", I would like to add a bit more information... The stiffer the stock the more it works like a tuning fork and damages to the cilia in your inner ear...

The absolute WORST stocks for this problem are McMillan Fiberglass Units WITH the addition of Kevlar as a stiffener while maintaining light weight. I found this by using several of the McMillan/Remington Custom Shop KS Stocks. The KS standing for Kevlar Synthetic.

Wooden stocks deaden the transmission of vibrations. As does heavier fill from McMillan. Laminated wood is likely your best choice but not ideal for all weapons. The simplest and best solution is an Eagle stock pack. It insulates your jaw bone and protects your hearing.

Like an idiot I would note that often I would have a tinnitus spike while dry firing my rifle on the bench. It didn't click fully until my irritating tinnitus became life changing tinnitus. I've been through TRT, many sets of attenuators, and I am experiencing tinnitus now that is louder than ever before... The only option is find another ENT, mine retired for a career in Country Music of all things, and get going on the Jasterbroff TRT regimen once again.

I was advised by my first tinnitus clinic, the one that is under new management, to sue both McMillan and Remington. I had carried my 40XB-KS into the office, and yes I got some weird looks from fellow patients, and the audiologist did fairly detailed testing on the stock. I refused to sue as it is not my cup of tea, however, I was PISSED to learn Kelly McMillan was fully aware of the problem. Furthermore he will include a piece of .25" foam for anyone who asks for it...

At any rate be careful with super stiff kevlar infused synthetic stocks as they can really damage your hearing and worse lead to chronic tinnitus. I've had it bad for the last 13 years and it prevents sleep, concentration, etc. without drug therapy. It was bad enough that I would go 2-3 days without falling asleep and then get a few hours out of sheer exhaustion. Only through pharmacology do I ever get a decent nights sleep...

I run Surefire Ear Plugs with Sordin Supreme electronic muffs. Peltor 6s are junk as are Pro Ears...imho

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Old November 27, 2014, 07:39 PM   #159
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Have you considered an Elite Iron for your gun(provided it is legal in your State). High quality and will ~30 DB.

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Old November 29, 2014, 06:09 PM   #160
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not my gun

It is not my gun but others on the range. The loudest gun I shoot is an AK 47 without a suppressor. I think the shooter gets the least noise because he is behind the muzzle. Others, on the sides, are the ones that suffer.
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Old January 5, 2015, 01:50 PM   #161
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Old March 19, 2015, 08:25 PM   #162
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to post 160: That's silly. Other guns affect, but yours affects you too. Behind or beside, damage still can occur. If you are a right handed shooter, it affects your left ear more. With me it did, anyway.

I read through a pretty good chunk of this thread and empathize with a bunch of you. Mine isn't so bad compared to some of you vets, but I still have some asymmetrical hearing loss and permanent tinnitus. The ringing in my ears always went away after some time, but it took one shot with an M44 to make it permanent...
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Old June 14, 2015, 10:56 AM   #163
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Your Hearing Is Not Going To Come Back

I was an aircraft mechanic in the USAF.

I retired after many years from DL.

I retired after many years at LUV.

Wear the plugs AND the muffs.

No sunglasses with the muffs please-ruins the sound seal.

Many jokes are made about hearing. However, it is not funny one bit when it is YOUR hearing that has been damaged.
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Old June 18, 2015, 04:17 PM   #164
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I have a question (or an idea) to a make a gun such as AR15 a bit "quieter", at least to those to the sides. I know a linear muzzle break could be used, but they can cost $30 and up. They direct the noise forward. But wouldn't a regular pipe fitted over the barrel accomplish the same thing? My current rifle has an A2 type muzzle break which directs the blast in every direction but down. I was considering the idea of getting a length of pipe that I could fit over the muzzle break and maybe up to 4" forward of that. It could also extend all the way back over the barrel to the front site post for a more even look.

Upon firing, the muzzle blast would be contained in the pipe for 4" beyond the muzzle break and directed forward. Isn't this basically how a linear break functions?

FYI, I haven't tried it yet, hence my reason for asking first.
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