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Old April 20, 2012, 09:53 AM   #1
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Identity and Date of Manufacture of Colt Revolvers

I know Radagast is the King of S&W revolver DOBs and I was wondering if the same was possible with Colt revolvers.
Never mind I found the info, its from 1923

a) caliber
b) bbl length (from cylinder to muzzle)
c) grips shape (round or square)
d) number of shots/cylinder bores
e) type of sights.
f) serial number, and if there is a letter in front of or anywhere near the s/n on the bottom of the grip
g) Model number if it is under the crane.
That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder).

A picture or two is worth A LOT of words in this case...


a) .38 S&W Special
b) 6" barrel
c) not sure on a Colt
d) 6 shot
e) Fixed, Half Moon front
f) xxxxxx
g) Official Police



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Old April 21, 2012, 07:14 PM   #2
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Thats not an officers model since they all had adjustable sights.
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Old April 21, 2012, 07:16 PM   #3
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Excuse me Official Police
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Old April 21, 2012, 07:23 PM   #4
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Ah yes and it looks like a nice example, square butt. The Official Police was introduced in 1927, I don't think your date is correct.

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Old May 1, 2012, 05:49 AM   #5
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victorleroy:
You will find the list of serial numbers and dates by model here:
http://www.proofhouse.com/
If you don't know which model you have you will need to post some pics, preferably one of each side.
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Old May 17, 2012, 06:19 PM   #6
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thats a pretty nice OP....i want to get a colt agent .38 spl. myself
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Old July 13, 2012, 12:21 PM   #7
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I checked on the site, but I couldn't find anything about the Anaconda. I have a six inch .44 that is drilled and tapped for scope mounting. The serial number is AN01***
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Old July 13, 2012, 12:40 PM   #8
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I found it, I just called colt, lol.
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Old July 14, 2012, 07:22 PM   #9
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I'm a little confused. I have Trooper Mk III. Do I look under Trooper, or Mk III series? None of the numbers look right. My s/n is 1***3L
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Old July 14, 2012, 07:57 PM   #10
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On most Colt hand ejector models made after 1908 (and a few before) the serial number is stamped on the frame under the back end of the barrel, and behind the crane. Swing out the cylinder to see it. Otherwise it is usually found on the butt, or on the frame just ahead of the trigger guard.

On U.S. military model hand ejectors the number on the butt usually is a contract number used for inventory purposes. The Colt serial number is located as described above. Generally the two numbers are not related to each other.

Colt has always used model names or letters, but not numbers, and you will usually find the model stamped on the side of the barrel. This can mislead someone if the barrel has been changed, so be careful.

And if that isnít enough to cause rampant confusion, they sometimes had several different models within one serial number series.

When in doubt, a picture is worth a thousand words.

If you are sure of the model, go to www.proofhouse.com and use the serial number to find DOB.
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Old July 14, 2012, 08:06 PM   #11
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I'm a little confused. I have Trooper Mk III. Do I look under Trooper, or Mk III series? None of the numbers look right. My s/n is 1***3L
Mk.III Series (Lawman, Metropolitan, Official Police, Trooper, and Officers Model Match).
1***3L = 1978
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Old July 22, 2012, 09:04 PM   #12
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colt single action frontier scout 22 mag

a) 22 mag
b) 4 5/8
c) square
d) 6 shots
e) blade
f) 11504XF
g) no model number.
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Old July 22, 2012, 10:11 PM   #13
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You have a Colt Frontier Scout The model letter is "Q" and Serial number 11504xF was made in 1961. Some parts and accessories may still be found at www.gunpartscorp.com
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Old July 22, 2012, 10:16 PM   #14
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Old July 28, 2012, 05:59 PM   #15
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Mk.III Series (Lawman, Metropolitan, Official Police, Trooper, and Officers Model Match).
1***3L = 1978
Thanks! I graduated HS in 1978, so that'll be easy to remember!
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Old August 7, 2012, 05:35 PM   #16
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I inherited a few guns recently and am trying to find out anything I can about them. Anything would help like age, model, value (if any), safety issues or whatever.

I'm new here, so bear with me while I figure this all out. I'm sure a lot of my terminology will be wrong. I'm better at shooting a gun than describing one. The Colt revolver is;

a) Caliber - Colt. D.A. 38 (Marked on side of barrel)
b) bbl length - 3 1/2"
c) grips shape - Square
d) number of shots - 6
e) type of sights - fixed blade
f) serial number - 281270 (worn, but that's what it looks like, on grip butt)
g) model number - No idea on that.

The number 1323 is on the ejector button, the frame inside the cylinder swing and on the cylinder swing it's self. The patent dates on top of the barrel are Aug 5 84, Nov 6 88, Mar 5 05

Gun was blued but most finish gone, works fine but seen lots of wear, double action, large chunk missing from the grip on one side.

I'm still trying to figure out how to post a picture from my computer to here. Will add a couple if I figure out how.
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Old August 7, 2012, 06:14 PM   #17
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Your Colt revolver appears to be a 1892 New Army/Navy model. Serial No. 281270 was one of the last made in about 1907 when the model was discontinued at or about No. 291000. It may be chambered in either .38 Long Colt or .38 Special. You can tell the difference by looking through a chamber to see if it is the same diameter all of the way through from back to front (.38 Long Colt) or has a reduced step toward the front (.38 Special).

The 3 1/2" barrel length (measured from the front face of the cylinder to the end of the muzzle) is scarce, but they did make some. Be sure that it hasn't been cut down from a longer length and the front sight remounted.

The number 1323 is an assembly number, stamped on the frame and certain hand-fitted parts, so that these parts would come back and be assembled in the right frame after they were finished (blue or nickel plate).

You can buy replacement stocks that (more or less) duplicate the original ones for about $30.00.

It was adopted in 1892 by the U.S. Army and Navy, in a 6" / .38 Long Colt version with plain walnut stocks, and was still in inventory as late as 1940.

In it's present condition it is not especially valuable. Shooters have little interest in them, and collectors seek those in better condition. But the late production and short barrel length might work in your favor. I would say between $150 to $200, and perhaps less in some markets.
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Old August 7, 2012, 08:27 PM   #18
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"It may be chambered in either .38 Long Colt or .38 Special. You can tell the difference by looking through a chamber to see if it is the same diameter all of the way through from back to front (.38 Long Colt) or has a reduced step toward the front (.38 Special)."

It was loaded with .38 special cartridges when I got it, but if it has reduced step, I can't see it looking at it. I'll have to check into that more.



"The 3 1/2" barrel length (measured from the front face of the cylinder to the end of the muzzle) is scarce, but they did make some. Be sure that it hasn't been cut down from a longer length and the front sight remounted."


Thanks so much. After reading your reply I looked at it again, I was wrong about the barrel length, I was only measuring the actual barrel which is 3 1/2". Measuring it correctly from the front of the cylinder to the end of the barrel it is 4 1/2". The barrel doesn't look to be altered and the sights seem to be original.

Thank you again very much for the info. I'd have never guessed it was that old.
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Old August 7, 2012, 09:32 PM   #19
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Hello friends and neighbors // I could use some help with an old Colt.

A. 38 (38sw)
B. 4 inch
C. Square butt, checkered wood, silver med.
D. 6 round,, alignment slot cut into cylinder and ejector.(a nice feature)
E. Fixed rear ,Half moon front, serrated top strap
F. 38591X
G. Police Positive .38

*Marked on butt base:: P.M.P.D. No. 14

**Fine checkering on::Trigger,hammer spur,cylinder release,ejector tip.
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Closest I can come is possibly a pre war contract with Canada for the Port Moody Police Department.
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Anyway way to find out?
I'd join the Colt Forum but hope some of the fine folks from there might also be here helping.

I'd like a second opinion on the DOM also.

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Good idea mesinge2
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You apparently have a .38 Colt Police Positive and the serial number dates it to 1939. It was chambered to use the .38 Colt New Police or .38 Police Positive cartridge, both of which are identical to the .38 S&W round.

If you reload your own ammunition be aware that Colt used the same chamber throat and barrel groove specifications that they did for .38 Special. Thus you can use easily obtained .358 (or even .356/9mm) bullets rather then the odd-sized .361 diameter bullets required for other revolvers chambered in .38 S&W.

I checked an extensive list of police markings and didn't find P.M.P.D., but besides the obvious it might have been sent to a large manufacturing plant doing pre-World War Two defense work.

It is one of the last Police Positive revolvers that were made. Production slowed during 1939 and '40 as the Colt factory was retooled for expected war production. During the war a few thousand were made out of previously manufactured parts. When they ran out the end came.
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TYVM for checking the PMPD

I'm glad the date is 1939, now that you point it out I see the next(last) few years production numbers were slim.

Also ty for the .358 tip I like saving money, time and energy,,, that will help with all three.
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Old August 26, 2012, 09:10 PM   #22
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Colt Detective Special

Newly acquired Detective Special: on LH side of barrel: DETECTIVE SPEC.

a) .38 Colt N P CTG (as exactly on the LH side of barrel)
b) bbl length 2"
c) grips shape round smooth, no checkering, walnut w/prancing
pony inserts
d) number of shots 6
e) type of sights fixed, blade front
f) serial number 51617X, underneath s/n is X, underneath X and
to the left is F
g) Model number if it is under the crane.No model #
h) nickel finish

Now I am curious if this is a .38 special or a .38 S&W cartridge pistol.



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Old August 26, 2012, 09:42 PM   #23
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It was made in 1949, and chambered in .38 Colt New Police (which is identical in all important respects to the .38 S&W, but you couldn't stamp that on a Colt product). Colt was making these because the Police Positive line had been discontinued, and that included the Bankers Special, which had been Colt's standard snubby in .38 N.P.

Since it is an early post-war Detective Special, not chambered in .38 Special (very scarce) and nickel plated (even more scarce if factory original) The collectable value would likely exceed that of a shooter.
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Thanks very much Old Fuff, it is in fair shape for a 63 year old. I believe the nickel to be original as the pony roll mark is strikingly deep & clear. Thanks again for the info!

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Old October 3, 2012, 09:23 AM   #25
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Inherited from a friend of my mother. It is pretty much mint with 100% blueing. No holster wear so probably bought for HD and put in a drawer for 50 years.

Colt Detective Special
SN 53508^ or S3508^
38 special ctg on barrel
6 shot
According to Proofhouse this appears to be a 1949 manufacture?
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