SCAM alert- gunlistings.org

Motega · June 17, 2012, 12:35 PM

This guy took photos from a current gunbroker auction :

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=291389380

and then created a fake listing at http://www.gunlistings.org/colorado-...s__.357_magnum

I contacted the person and they sent me a fake military ID and asked me to send a $1200 money order to

NAME: DANIELLE GAMACHE
ADDRESS: 302 S.RUSSELL St. Apt #3
CITY: AVA
STATE: ILLINOIS
ZIPCODE: 62907

and called my prepaid cell with a number that came up gave the phone number : 314-338-4617. He called my cell phone with that phone number so apparently it is a working number, I'm sure a prepaid cell impossible to track.

I called the county sheriff and the deputy I spoke with said they don't have the manpower to pursue it.
I asked the guy to take a photo of himself holding up his phone number and I would run right out to my bank that is open on Sunday and get a money order, hopefully his greed will overcome his common sense and I will be able to post a photo of this thief.

Be on the lookout for anyone using any combination of these credentials.Whatever you do though, don't let your sense of decency or justice prompt you to call that cell phone at all hours of the night, that wouldn't be very nice.

Salmoneye · June 17, 2012, 12:56 PM

Love it!

Keep up the good work!

hjh45acp · June 17, 2012, 01:55 PM

Very good work. I am glad you followed up almost got burned once my self.

rcmodel · June 17, 2012, 02:00 PM

Did you report him to Gunbroker and Gunlistings?

And maybe the Department of the Army and Homeland Security.

Using a fake military ID is real serious business anymore!!

Postol inspectors might have an interest too since he wants you to mail him a check.

Also, look at the guys other auction listings.
http://www.gunlistings.org/user-view.php?emailid=19932

He lives all over the country!

rc

jscott · June 17, 2012, 02:09 PM

Your local sheriff's office may not have the manpower but Army CID (Criminal Investigations Division) probably will. They do have the capacity and authority, as well as a strong interest, to go after the perp whether civilian or military based upon his use of the purported military ID.

Either call the Army post nearest you or try these:

http://www.cid.army.mil/units_conus.html

It is a listing of all CID commands nationwide.

Sig Bill · June 17, 2012, 02:19 PM

I seen that before but I don't remember where from. It's the same scam (same name and pic) and had been reported but I'm surprised it's going again.

monet61 · June 17, 2012, 02:36 PM

I'm really glad that you guys know how to spot these dirtbags and inform us.
Most of us, I'm sure, don't think of scams when we see something that seems to be legit.
Anyhow, thanks.

rcmodel · June 17, 2012, 02:37 PM

I also noticed on Gunlistings.org there is no way to view the sellers feedback from previous sales.

I would avoid an auction site that doesn't show seller feedback ratings like the plague!!!

rc

cpt-t · June 17, 2012, 02:40 PM

Motega: I can`t agree more on calling the CID. The Cid has helped me many times and they have the resources to presue this matter at a different level than local or state lawenforcement. I will be very surprised if they will not help you. The CID has helped me many times and there many talents are just outstanding. Just call your nearest ARMY POST and ask to speak to them. GOOD LUCK TO YOU: ken

paintballdude902 · June 17, 2012, 02:42 PM

it is now illegal to photo copy a military id. the layout is completely wrong.....

forward it to the fbi

steveno · June 17, 2012, 02:49 PM

I know my military ID didn't have "Geneva Convention Identification" on it. unless that is something new that would have been the first thing that I noticed. the fact that it had a woman's name for what looks like a guy unless it is pronounced different.

**Jorg** · June 17, 2012, 03:25 PM

Quote:

I know my military ID didn't have "Geneva Convention Identification" on it.

That seems strange My old laminated active duty and reserve cards from over 20 years ago had that on it in the border on the bottom and several .mil sites show several samples of the newer cards with the same thing as the picture above has (save they have "Conventions" instead of "Convention"):

https://ia.signal.army.mil/IAF/IASOLesson15.asp
http://www.dodlive.mil/index.php/201...-04-04-090414/
https://secureweb2.hqda.pentagon.mil/mpd/Default.aspx
http://www.doncio.navy.mil/chips/Art...s.aspx?ID=3381
http://www.drum.army.mil/mountaineer...e.aspx?ID=5253

And some pictures of the older style ones:
http://www.cac.mil/uniformed-services-id-card/
http://bsidneysmith.com/images/self/military%20id.jpg

Looking at some old ones online, it looks like they added it to DD Form 2A (the ID card) sometime between the form revisted 1959 (the ones that didn't have it) and the one revised in 1979.

Maybe they removed it for awhile?

Motega · June 17, 2012, 03:37 PM

I am going to follow up as suggested with CID... unfortunately for this guy I just had back surgery and have all the time in the world to track him down. I asked for the photo of him holding his phone number and he said he wasn't at home "so I had my wife do it". This is going to the sheriff in the AM and I will start the ball rolling with other authorities. It is possible this is in fact the scammer, or it could be a naive (or not so innocent) friend. Hopefully I'll get another photo out of him and maybe the local sheriff can put the 2 faces together somehow.

steveno · June 17, 2012, 03:59 PM

I was got out of the air force in 1973 so I guess things have changed. there was no such things as a bar code on them

sgtt2786 · June 17, 2012, 04:03 PM

The ID card says he is a Sergeant which is E-5 pay grade not OF3 ??? If that's a picture of his wife, he is already being punished!! LOL Now she is involved in the criminal activity as well, oh well keep us advised and thank you.
John

Snowdog · June 17, 2012, 04:06 PM

Wow, this is interesting. Keep us apprised!

**Jorg** · June 17, 2012, 04:08 PM

Quote:

I was got out of the air force in 1973 so I guess things have changed. there was no such things as a bar code on them

That would explain it. My guess is that they must have updated it in 1979 to add that then. It would made sense they didn't update the form from 1959 until 1979. I'm not sure when they added the barcode and all the other features

rcmodel · June 17, 2012, 04:14 PM

Quote:

The ID card says he is a Sergeant which is E-5 pay grade not OF3 ???

I noticed that too.

OF3 is the NATO equivalent of an Army Captain (Pay grade O-3 or OE-3).

rc

**Robert** · June 17, 2012, 04:45 PM

I am going to sticky this thread for the time being so we can all keep track of developments. Good on ya for busting this guy!

Motega · June 17, 2012, 06:40 PM

it really "Grinds my gears" (to steal an expression from Peter Griffin) that he emailed about a half dozen other photos showing the same soldier he is pretending to be. On base, etc. If you Google "fake military ID" the same person is shown in a bunch of photos. It's especially shameful that someone is using the likeness of a man in our military to commit these acts of fraud. I don't want to upload the other photos to further spread his face around the internet. Gunlistings has blocked his IP and address and he didn't respond to my second request for a photo of himself but I'll try again to get him to send another photo.

Sig Bill · June 17, 2012, 07:52 PM

Y'all are pointing out inconsistencies that was reported before so it's the same scam. When you mentioned gunlistings then I remembered where it came from, this is it.

Good goings guys but I don't understand why he wasn't busted already. They said they were going to get him. Turned out he's still scamming but a pic of his wife(?) with the phone no is a new one.

TomADC · June 17, 2012, 09:33 PM

My current I'd card has a bar code of some sort on the back it's one of the things they look at when I go on base.
But unless things have changed a bunch that Geneva card isn't used as id.

scrat · June 18, 2012, 12:04 AM

If you look really closely at his picture it seems like his left arm is sticking out like he is holding a camera to take the picture

happygeek · June 18, 2012, 12:24 AM

This guy is terrible at fake IDs, luckily for the people he's trying to scam. I see at least 6 things wrong with his ID right off the bat. The big tip offs are the rank/pay grade mismatch and the issue date vs the expiration date (a real ID isn't good for anywhere near the 9 years on his).

There's other differences with the newer IDs I won't bother mentioning.

Just for the lulz, ask him to send you a DA31 with his digital signature on it.

7.62 Nato · June 18, 2012, 12:38 AM

Mind if I repost this on another board?

June 17, 2012, 02:00 PM	#4
rcmodel Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Eastern KS Posts: 41,251	Did you report him to Gunbroker and Gunlistings? And maybe the Department of the Army and Homeland Security. Using a fake military ID is real serious business anymore!! Postol inspectors might have an interest too since he wants you to mail him a check. Also, look at the guys other auction listings. http://www.gunlistings.org/user-view.php?emailid=19932 He lives all over the country! rc __________________ Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Or all your primers in a glass jar! Last edited by rcmodel; June 17, 2012 at 02:13 PM.

June 17, 2012, 02:09 PM	#5
jscott Member Join Date: November 22, 2009 Location: OAIX Posts: 375	Your local sheriff's office may not have the manpower but Army CID (Criminal Investigations Division) probably will. They do have the capacity and authority, as well as a strong interest, to go after the perp whether civilian or military based upon his use of the purported military ID. Either call the Army post nearest you or try these: http://www.cid.army.mil/units_conus.html It is a listing of all CID commands nationwide. __________________ "Being prepared is your responsibility. Teaching you how to be prepared is ours." OSAGE COMBATIVES On Facebook

June 17, 2012, 02:36 PM	#7
monet61 Member Join Date: November 14, 2008 Location: Nevada Desert Posts: 167	I'm really glad that you guys know how to spot these dirtbags and inform us. Most of us, I'm sure, don't think of scams when we see something that seems to be legit. Anyhow, thanks. __________________ USN Vet, Ret LE, NRA Life, Grampa "You killed my father and stole my elephants"!

June 17, 2012, 02:37 PM	#8
rcmodel Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Eastern KS Posts: 41,251	I also noticed on Gunlistings.org there is no way to view the sellers feedback from previous sales. I would avoid an auction site that doesn't show seller feedback ratings like the plague!!! rc __________________ Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Or all your primers in a glass jar!

June 17, 2012, 02:40 PM	#9
cpt-t Member Join Date: December 25, 2011 Posts: 201	SCAM Motega: I can`t agree more on calling the CID. The Cid has helped me many times and they have the resources to presue this matter at a different level than local or state lawenforcement. I will be very surprised if they will not help you. The CID has helped me many times and there many talents are just outstanding. Just call your nearest ARMY POST and ask to speak to them. GOOD LUCK TO YOU: ken

June 17, 2012, 12:56 PM	#2
Salmoneye Member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Location: Vermont Posts: 864	Love it! Keep up the good work!

June 17, 2012, 01:55 PM	#3
hjh45acp Member Join Date: November 4, 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 9	Very good work. I am glad you followed up almost got burned once my self. __________________ You are either with us, or against us” --George W. Bush

June 17, 2012, 02:19 PM	#6
Sig Bill Member Join Date: March 28, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 126	I seen that before but I don't remember where from. It's the same scam (same name and pic) and had been reported but I'm surprised it's going again.

June 17, 2012, 02:42 PM	#10
paintballdude902 Member Join Date: June 30, 2007 Location: eastern NC is home but florida is base Posts: 2,721	it is now illegal to photo copy a military id. the layout is completely wrong..... forward it to the fbi __________________ I'm willing to die trying to keep them; Are you willing to die trying to take them? The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.-Eleanor Roosevelt

June 17, 2012, 02:49 PM	#11
steveno Member Join Date: July 21, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 946	I know my military ID didn't have "Geneva Convention Identification" on it. unless that is something new that would have been the first thing that I noticed. the fact that it had a woman's name for what looks like a guy unless it is pronounced different.

June 17, 2012, 03:59 PM	#14
steveno Member Join Date: July 21, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 946	I was got out of the air force in 1973 so I guess things have changed. there was no such things as a bar code on them

June 17, 2012, 04:03 PM	#15
sgtt2786 Member Join Date: December 5, 2011 Posts: 1	The ID card says he is a Sergeant which is E-5 pay grade not OF3 ??? If that's a picture of his wife, he is already being punished!! LOL Now she is involved in the criminal activity as well, oh well keep us advised and thank you. John

June 17, 2012, 04:06 PM	#16
Snowdog Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Hendersonville, WNC Posts: 3,555	Wow, this is interesting. Keep us apprised! __________________ The Second Amendment is not about hunting, it is the teeth of the Constitution and a bane to tyranny. Preserving your rights is infinitely easier than regaining them once annulled.

June 17, 2012, 04:45 PM	#19
Robert Moderator Join Date: June 7, 2006 Location: Texan by birth, in Colorado cause I hate humidity Posts: 6,369	I am going to sticky this thread for the time being so we can all keep track of developments. Good on ya for busting this guy! __________________ Member formerly known as Gus McCrae. I step out of the shower wearing nothing but an AR-15 and a frown. Superior gear will never make up for a lack of training or attitude.

June 17, 2012, 06:40 PM	#20
Motega Member Join Date: January 27, 2011 Posts: 417	it really "Grinds my gears" (to steal an expression from Peter Griffin) that he emailed about a half dozen other photos showing the same soldier he is pretending to be. On base, etc. If you Google "fake military ID" the same person is shown in a bunch of photos. It's especially shameful that someone is using the likeness of a man in our military to commit these acts of fraud. I don't want to upload the other photos to further spread his face around the internet. Gunlistings has blocked his IP and address and he didn't respond to my second request for a photo of himself but I'll try again to get him to send another photo.

June 17, 2012, 07:52 PM	#21
Sig Bill Member Join Date: March 28, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 126	Y'all are pointing out inconsistencies that was reported before so it's the same scam. When you mentioned gunlistings then I remembered where it came from, this is it. Good goings guys but I don't understand why he wasn't busted already. They said they were going to get him. Turned out he's still scamming but a pic of his wife(?) with the phone no is a new one.

June 17, 2012, 09:33 PM	#22
TomADC Member Join Date: July 13, 2009 Location: Southern CA Posts: 1,218	My current I'd card has a bar code of some sort on the back it's one of the things they look at when I go on base. But unless things have changed a bunch that Geneva card isn't used as id. __________________ U S Navy Retired, Lifetime NRA Member

June 18, 2012, 12:04 AM	#23
scrat Member Join Date: January 27, 2007 Location: Monrovia, CA Posts: 6,882	If you look really closely at his picture it seems like his left arm is sticking out like he is holding a camera to take the picture __________________ *MOLON LABE*

June 18, 2012, 12:24 AM	#24
happygeek Member Join Date: April 13, 2009 Location: WA Posts: 1,245	This guy is terrible at fake IDs, luckily for the people he's trying to scam. I see at least 6 things wrong with his ID right off the bat. The big tip offs are the rank/pay grade mismatch and the issue date vs the expiration date (a real ID isn't good for anywhere near the 9 years on his). There's other differences with the newer IDs I won't bother mentioning. Just for the lulz, ask him to send you a DA31 with his digital signature on it. Last edited by happygeek; June 18, 2012 at 12:37 AM.

June 18, 2012, 12:38 AM	#25
7.62 Nato Member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 672	Mind if I repost this on another board? __________________ " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke You can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can't make them THINK !