SCAM alert- gunlistings.org - Page 4

Motega · December 18, 2012, 05:45 PM

I haven't called to check, nor have I been sent any info regarding the case. They did make a case out of it and investigate, and that was good enough for me. The person that did this was a moron, so I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it again but being as dumb as she is I'm not all that worried people will fall for it.

emailforforum84 · December 20, 2012, 02:33 PM

You need to report this to a military installation also... First of all a rank of OF3 does NOT exist.... And a Sgt is an E5....So CLEARLY a fake but other than that looks pretty good.

This needs to go to the DOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

castile · December 29, 2012, 10:25 AM

Just contacted a seller out of St. Augistine fla. Had a spikes ar for 1k. Then asked for a money gram. I said I can only do a CC, that way if its a scam I am out nothing. I never got a responce. So if its not a scam oh well. With prices spiking like mad its going to be normal to see this kind of thing. Anyone who pays 2500 for an AR is going to be sick in a year.

wriggly · December 31, 2012, 07:41 PM

I try to play it safe as possible. I never buy guns off online auctions, nor individuals posting. I might entertain a FTF buy if there were anything I really wanted that I could not find at my LGS or Davidsons or another reputable online gun dealer.

I have sold a few guns here on THR, but I only do local FTF transactions.

If Ebay and Paypal changed their policies, I would be on board.

whitecloud · January 27, 2013, 11:32 PM

The telephone number that has been listed is a St.Louis, MO number. 314 is the area code for the city 'proper' of St.Louis. The next set of numbers I'm not sure of. I'm thinking these could be southern extent of the city, but pre-paid phones.....you never can tell. But this is definitely a St. Louis number. I work in St.Louis that how I know.

HSPC · February 16, 2013, 02:54 AM

Wanted to get this on the web so Googles Search function can find it

I didn't fall for it as it seemed too good to be true.

502-230-1265 / 5022301265 is the phone number. Guy claims to be Chris Miller. Seller name on Texasguntrader is c.miller44 email is c.miller44@aol.com

Deal was for $1400 for a Beretta 682 e-gold. I always ask for higher resolution pictures and for specific pictures of certain spots on the gun to see if the person even has the firearm. This stuff is running rampent on Texas Gun Trader. This is the add here: http://texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=312213

I was skeptical because 1. he says he's in mineral wells, but has a Kentucky Phone number, that's ok.. but usually its a major city phone number. 2. he wouldn't send me a text picture of the firearm and then his texts were rather short and not exactly perfect grammar. Well sometimes old timers have trouble typing on phones so I ignored and asked him to provide additional pictures / information. He just sent me some 23 kb stock photos and they had a perfect white background, a white background is not easy to accomplish unless you're ripping images off somewhere else.

Anyways after googling his name / phone number i came across a thread http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537...oing+for+%242k

I decide to just ignore him, then randomly today I get a call from phone number 502-509-5460 / 5025095460 That's Louisville kentucky for those of you that don't know. I don't EVER deal with ANYONE from Kentucky. Not by choice, i just don't have interactions with folks in that neck of the woods. This person left a voicemail, it was in broken chinese or korean (I'll ask a buddy to decipher later)

Debating calling the FBI internet fraud department tomorrow to report.

This guy must have been trying hard if they were trying to call from another number. Not sure what their plan was if I picked up lol.

It would have never been an issue anyways since I absolutely refuse to buy/sell firearms unless it's Face to Face transactions. In that other thread some guy at the end mentions the guy asks to meet but looks for a $500 deposit. DO NOT ever do that. If a deal is too good to be true it probably is.

Now this is funny, this guy is using pictures from gunstar.uk
http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Ber...-gs110845.aspx
http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Ber...-gs117385.aspx

Other names / alias / contact info:
David Natoya
Victor Natoya
Bradon Anderson (actually his name is Brandon not Bradon)
Chris Lorie Miller
Chris Miller
502-230-1265
xroxy_smith@live.com
goofeey36@yahoo.com
cmiller@aol.com

Reported to the FBI Internet Fraud Department and local law enforcement

RetiredUSNChief · February 16, 2013, 06:07 AM

Looks like the original listing has already been taken down.

The Common Acess Card (CAC) was implimented in the U.S. Military not long before I retired. I'm also quite familiar with how it looks from a civilian DOD employee perspective as well, since I work for a naval shipyard as a civilian DON employee.

Here's some information which points to the ID card being fake, for those who are interested:

The picture is not in the right format. The image is not cropped the same way that CAC images are. It's too wide for it's height.

If you were to look at the person in the image closely, the shoulders don't look like they're correct for someone who is standing at ease in front of a camera being operated by another person. They look typical of someone taking their own picture. (My opinion, here.) I'm not sure what's shown on his right (???) shoulder...I'll leave that for someone else to critique. But ID pictures don't commonly include enough to show any ribbons, medals, or insignia that isn't a collar device.

Pictures on CAC's don't have the U.S. flag in the background. It's a plain background.

"ACTIVE DUTY" is in all caps. The military has long since gotten over the caps lock handicap and this is printed as "Active Duty" on all active duty military CAC.

The name is also in all caps. Again, the military doesn't use all caps for this. It should read "Danielle Gamache" for his first and middle names.

The Pay Grade is not correctly annotated. Enlisted people are annotated by "E" with a number afterwards, indicating the enlisted paygrade. For Sargent, this would be "E5". "OF3" appears to be completely nonsense, since officer's are shown with the letter "O" followed by a number and Warrant Officers are shown with the letter "W" followed by a number.

The "Pay Grade" and "Rank" lettering and the grade and rank shown are of incorrect font sizes, relative to each other.

The Issue Date and Expiration Dates are inconsistent. The Issue Date is the date the ID card is issued to the servicemember, not the date he enlisted. New ID cards are issued whenever there is a change a change in rank, enlisted obligated service dates, or whenever the card is damaged or lost. Enlisted contracts are for a maximum of 6 years. Note that this has nothing to do with the minimum required service time one is obligated for...only that the maximum term for any enlistement period itself is 6 years. The maximum period shown on the CAC can be no longer than the date it was issued to him to the end of his active duty obligated service. Thus the maximum period shown cannot be any longer than 6 years. The time on this ID card shows 9 years from the Issue Date.

The "Issue Date" and "Expiration Date" and the dates shown below them are the incorrect font sizes, relative to each other. See the CAC website to see what I mean.

http://www.cac.mil/common-access-card/

The vertical bar code shown does not look like the correct barcode format. Visit the Common Access Card website to see what one is supposed to look like.

All CAC's have that wavy background image/lettering on them in green lettering. Mine says "U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE" in all caps. Likely they all have this, since the branch of service is clearly annotated by the branch seal in the upper right corner and the name of the service clearly printed below that. But it's currently 5 am where I'm at and I don't feel like running down to the waterfront to find a Sailor on duty and ask to see his CAC to verify that.

The ICC (Integrated Circuit Chip) contacts are an electronic image, not a real picture of one. The image shown has a "reflection", a bright clash across it. Yet the rest of the shiny plastic card does not have that. The contacts shown aren't what they're currently shaped as on the real thing, either. As shown, a CAC with this ICC contact configuration would not function in a CAC reader, and these readers haven't changed functionally since they were introduced.

And finally, the "picture" of this CAC is not, in fact, a picture of a CAC at all. A real CAC is a credit card sized and shaped ID card, complete with edges and rounded corners. This picture, even if it is a cropped one, doesn't show that. There is absolutely no hint of the wavy background security lettering. As measured, the aspect ratio of the card is incorrect. The card is slightly too short for it's height.

I hope enough heat has been delivered to the proper authorities to have the hammer dropped on this individual. I don't cotton to people impersonating servicemembers, especially for nefarious purposes. And if he's current or prior military, I don't cotton to liars and frauds.

dajowi · March 6, 2013, 04:22 PM

I wouldn't purchase any firearms from any private party over the internet - period.

codysalvick · March 7, 2013, 04:35 AM

Good stuff!

Boostedtwo · March 7, 2013, 06:20 AM

I live about 20-25 minutes from Louisville ky lol

gunownerz · April 16, 2013, 01:09 AM

Nice find!

cedge · April 16, 2013, 09:21 PM

Guys, I'm pretty sure this is a Nigerian scammer. I've seen similar scams before. The original email has IP addresses that trace back to Nigeria, but then they get the money shipped to the US. Usually it's a vacant house. I suspect they have a sucker over here getting the money for them unknowingly (work at home scam maybe who cashes the checks and keeps 10%). Reading the first part has all the hallmarks of that type of scam. The ID is a fake, photoshopped ID. Any photos are stolen. I highly suspect if you see something like that, it's a variation of the Nigerian scam.

Whyareyoucurious · April 29, 2013, 02:45 PM

I'm going to see if I can track him down.

Google images shows: https://www.okshooters.com/showthrea...-from-Armslist
ID PICTURE SEARCHES: CLICK ME FOR 3 Pages of fake ID's being used.
ORIGINAL AD: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=647405
Gun pictures info:
Device used: Apple iPad 2
Date/Time Picture was taken: March 10, 2013 9:12:41PM

This is what he sent to my buddy:
From: Private Owner <bullletproof007@gmail.com>
Date: April 29, 2013, 2:05:36 PM EDT

Subject: Re: ARMSLIST - Message from about KELTEC KSG KEL TEC
Please find the copy of my Geneva ID and pictures of me. i am selling a few of my guns because i am having very serious Money problems right now(problems with the Mortgage, credit card,divorce etc)...my daughter had to stop schooling because of her health conditions so the whole weight is all on me for now, so sir you see i have alot on the line too. i very much understand you sir, please don't get me wrong but i assure you that everything will be just fine. i have sold a few guns to people from other state and it pretty much went well. i will let you know as soon as the fund gets to me and i'll have the gun shipped today. and will provide you all the details sir. The package will be wrapped with tapes and lots of foams to protect it. Pls do keep me Posted.

Regards.

Routing Number: 111000614
Account Number:203258006
Bank Name: Chase Bank
Bank Phone Number: (903) 561-0894
Holder's Name : Andrade . J. Betty
Holder's Address : 620 SOUTH BOLTON ST APT A ,JACKSONVILLE,TX 75766
Bank Address : 6825 Broadway Tyler Texas 75703.

Whyareyoucurious · April 29, 2013, 02:57 PM

Whyareyoucurious · April 30, 2013, 08:44 AM

Opened
Opened 29-Apr-13 at 23:58:29pm (UTC -5:00) - 10hours5mins31secs after sending
Location Lagos, Nigeria (86% likelihood)
Opened on 41.206.11.14.vgccl.net (41.206.11.14:10237)
Language of recipient's PC: en-US (English/United States), en;q=0.8 (English)
Browser used by recipient: Moz/5.0 (WinNT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/23.0.1271.97 Safari/537.11
Last log No more activity after 29-Apr-13 at 23:59:14pm (UTC -5:00) - Log data indicates email was read for at least 45secs (approx.)

Summary - as at 30-Apr-13 at 07:42:09am (UTC -5:00) - 17hours49mins11secs after sending

Whyareyoucurious · May 1, 2013, 06:15 PM

Tessa Debysingh
512 Earls Court
Angleton, Tx 77515

December 31, 2012, 07:41 PM	#79
wriggly Member Join Date: April 18, 2010 Posts: 283	I try to play it safe as possible. I never buy guns off online auctions, nor individuals posting. I might entertain a FTF buy if there were anything I really wanted that I could not find at my LGS or Davidsons or another reputable online gun dealer. I have sold a few guns here on THR, but I only do local FTF transactions. If Ebay and Paypal changed their policies, I would be on board. __________________ NRA Life Member

February 16, 2013, 06:07 AM	#82
RetiredUSNChief Member Join Date: July 9, 2012 Location: East Coast Posts: 629	Looks like the original listing has already been taken down. The Common Acess Card (CAC) was implimented in the U.S. Military not long before I retired. I'm also quite familiar with how it looks from a civilian DOD employee perspective as well, since I work for a naval shipyard as a civilian DON employee. Here's some information which points to the ID card being fake, for those who are interested: The picture is not in the right format. The image is not cropped the same way that CAC images are. It's too wide for it's height. If you were to look at the person in the image closely, the shoulders don't look like they're correct for someone who is standing at ease in front of a camera being operated by another person. They look typical of someone taking their own picture. (My opinion, here.) I'm not sure what's shown on his right (???) shoulder...I'll leave that for someone else to critique. But ID pictures don't commonly include enough to show any ribbons, medals, or insignia that isn't a collar device. Pictures on CAC's don't have the U.S. flag in the background. It's a plain background. "ACTIVE DUTY" is in all caps. The military has long since gotten over the caps lock handicap and this is printed as "Active Duty" on all active duty military CAC. The name is also in all caps. Again, the military doesn't use all caps for this. It should read "Danielle Gamache" for his first and middle names. The Pay Grade is not correctly annotated. Enlisted people are annotated by "E" with a number afterwards, indicating the enlisted paygrade. For Sargent, this would be "E5". "OF3" appears to be completely nonsense, since officer's are shown with the letter "O" followed by a number and Warrant Officers are shown with the letter "W" followed by a number. The "Pay Grade" and "Rank" lettering and the grade and rank shown are of incorrect font sizes, relative to each other. The Issue Date and Expiration Dates are inconsistent. The Issue Date is the date the ID card is issued to the servicemember, not the date he enlisted. New ID cards are issued whenever there is a change a change in rank, enlisted obligated service dates, or whenever the card is damaged or lost. Enlisted contracts are for a maximum of 6 years. Note that this has nothing to do with the minimum required service time one is obligated for...only that the maximum term for any enlistement period itself is 6 years. The maximum period shown on the CAC can be no longer than the date it was issued to him to the end of his active duty obligated service. Thus the maximum period shown cannot be any longer than 6 years. The time on this ID card shows 9 years from the Issue Date. The "Issue Date" and "Expiration Date" and the dates shown below them are the incorrect font sizes, relative to each other. See the CAC website to see what I mean. http://www.cac.mil/common-access-card/ The vertical bar code shown does not look like the correct barcode format. Visit the Common Access Card website to see what one is supposed to look like. All CAC's have that wavy background image/lettering on them in green lettering. Mine says "U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE" in all caps. Likely they all have this, since the branch of service is clearly annotated by the branch seal in the upper right corner and the name of the service clearly printed below that. But it's currently 5 am where I'm at and I don't feel like running down to the waterfront to find a Sailor on duty and ask to see his CAC to verify that. The ICC (Integrated Circuit Chip) contacts are an electronic image, not a real picture of one. The image shown has a "reflection", a bright clash across it. Yet the rest of the shiny plastic card does not have that. The contacts shown aren't what they're currently shaped as on the real thing, either. As shown, a CAC with this ICC contact configuration would not function in a CAC reader, and these readers haven't changed functionally since they were introduced. And finally, the "picture" of this CAC is not, in fact, a picture of a CAC at all. A real CAC is a credit card sized and shaped ID card, complete with edges and rounded corners. This picture, even if it is a cropped one, doesn't show that. There is absolutely no hint of the wavy background security lettering. As measured, the aspect ratio of the card is incorrect. The card is slightly too short for it's height. I hope enough heat has been delivered to the proper authorities to have the hammer dropped on this individual. I don't cotton to people impersonating servicemembers, especially for nefarious purposes. And if he's current or prior military, I don't cotton to liars and frauds. __________________ "Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun." Ash - Army of Darkness http://youtu.be/0xwzdd-Slo8 I'm the guy with a cannon, too: http://youtu.be/X6xhYELYVDw Last edited by RetiredUSNChief; February 16, 2013 at 06:20 AM.

March 7, 2013, 06:20 AM	#85
Boostedtwo Member Join Date: October 30, 2012 Posts: 120	I live about 20-25 minutes from Louisville ky lol __________________ http://www.bobsgunshop.net my trusty o' gunsmith.

December 18, 2012, 05:45 PM	#76
Motega Member Join Date: January 27, 2011 Posts: 417	I haven't called to check, nor have I been sent any info regarding the case. They did make a case out of it and investigate, and that was good enough for me. The person that did this was a moron, so I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it again but being as dumb as she is I'm not all that worried people will fall for it.

December 20, 2012, 02:33 PM	#77
emailforforum84 member Join Date: December 17, 2012 Posts: 40	You need to report this to a military installation also... First of all a rank of OF3 does NOT exist.... And a Sgt is an E5....So CLEARLY a fake but other than that looks pretty good. This needs to go to the DOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

December 29, 2012, 10:25 AM	#78
castile Member Join Date: June 19, 2012 Posts: 19	Just contacted a seller out of St. Augistine fla. Had a spikes ar for 1k. Then asked for a money gram. I said I can only do a CC, that way if its a scam I am out nothing. I never got a responce. So if its not a scam oh well. With prices spiking like mad its going to be normal to see this kind of thing. Anyone who pays 2500 for an AR is going to be sick in a year.

January 27, 2013, 11:32 PM	#80
whitecloud Member Join Date: January 15, 2009 Posts: 28	The telephone number that has been listed is a St.Louis, MO number. 314 is the area code for the city 'proper' of St.Louis. The next set of numbers I'm not sure of. I'm thinking these could be southern extent of the city, but pre-paid phones.....you never can tell. But this is definitely a St. Louis number. I work in St.Louis that how I know.

February 16, 2013, 02:54 AM	#81
HSPC Member Join Date: February 12, 2013 Posts: 3	Wanted to get this on the web so Googles Search function can find it I didn't fall for it as it seemed too good to be true. 502-230-1265 / 5022301265 is the phone number. Guy claims to be Chris Miller. Seller name on Texasguntrader is c.miller44 email is c.miller44@aol.com Deal was for $1400 for a Beretta 682 e-gold. I always ask for higher resolution pictures and for specific pictures of certain spots on the gun to see if the person even has the firearm. This stuff is running rampent on Texas Gun Trader. This is the add here: http://texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=312213 I was skeptical because 1. he says he's in mineral wells, but has a Kentucky Phone number, that's ok.. but usually its a major city phone number. 2. he wouldn't send me a text picture of the firearm and then his texts were rather short and not exactly perfect grammar. Well sometimes old timers have trouble typing on phones so I ignored and asked him to provide additional pictures / information. He just sent me some 23 kb stock photos and they had a perfect white background, a white background is not easy to accomplish unless you're ripping images off somewhere else. Anyways after googling his name / phone number i came across a thread http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537...oing+for+%242k I decide to just ignore him, then randomly today I get a call from phone number 502-509-5460 / 5025095460 That's Louisville kentucky for those of you that don't know. I don't EVER deal with ANYONE from Kentucky. Not by choice, i just don't have interactions with folks in that neck of the woods. This person left a voicemail, it was in broken chinese or korean (I'll ask a buddy to decipher later) Debating calling the FBI internet fraud department tomorrow to report. This guy must have been trying hard if they were trying to call from another number. Not sure what their plan was if I picked up lol. It would have never been an issue anyways since I absolutely refuse to buy/sell firearms unless it's Face to Face transactions. In that other thread some guy at the end mentions the guy asks to meet but looks for a $500 deposit. DO NOT ever do that. If a deal is too good to be true it probably is. Now this is funny, this guy is using pictures from gunstar.uk http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Ber...-gs110845.aspx http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Ber...-gs117385.aspx Other names / alias / contact info: David Natoya Victor Natoya Bradon Anderson (actually his name is Brandon not Bradon) Chris Lorie Miller Chris Miller 502-230-1265 xroxy_smith@live.com goofeey36@yahoo.com cmiller@aol.com Reported to the FBI Internet Fraud Department and local law enforcement

March 6, 2013, 04:22 PM	#83
dajowi Member Join Date: October 18, 2010 Posts: 20	I wouldn't purchase any firearms from any private party over the internet - period.

March 7, 2013, 04:35 AM	#84
codysalvick Member Join Date: March 7, 2013 Posts: 3	Good stuff!

April 16, 2013, 01:09 AM	#86
gunownerz Commercial Member Join Date: April 16, 2013 Posts: 12	Nice find!

April 16, 2013, 09:21 PM	#87
cedge Member Join Date: September 26, 2007 Posts: 3	Guys, I'm pretty sure this is a Nigerian scammer. I've seen similar scams before. The original email has IP addresses that trace back to Nigeria, but then they get the money shipped to the US. Usually it's a vacant house. I suspect they have a sucker over here getting the money for them unknowingly (work at home scam maybe who cashes the checks and keeps 10%). Reading the first part has all the hallmarks of that type of scam. The ID is a fake, photoshopped ID. Any photos are stolen. I highly suspect if you see something like that, it's a variation of the Nigerian scam.

April 30, 2013, 08:44 AM	#90
Whyareyoucurious Member Join Date: April 29, 2013 Posts: 4	Opened Opened 29-Apr-13 at 23:58:29pm (UTC -5:00) - 10hours5mins31secs after sending Location Lagos, Nigeria (86% likelihood) Opened on 41.206.11.14.vgccl.net (41.206.11.14:10237) Language of recipient's PC: en-US (English/United States), en;q=0.8 (English) Browser used by recipient: Moz/5.0 (WinNT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/23.0.1271.97 Safari/537.11 Last log No more activity after 29-Apr-13 at 23:59:14pm (UTC -5:00) - Log data indicates email was read for at least 45secs (approx.) Summary - as at 30-Apr-13 at 07:42:09am (UTC -5:00) - 17hours49mins11secs after sending

May 1, 2013, 06:15 PM	#91
Whyareyoucurious Member Join Date: April 29, 2013 Posts: 4	Tessa Debysingh 512 Earls Court Angleton, Tx 77515