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Old June 18, 2012, 01:10 AM   #26
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Feel free to spread it around but maybe wait a day or two until he wises up. I'm trying to get at least a mug shot out of him. Here was the latest message he sent:

"Frank,
You can go ahead and send the Money Order to someone else...... So much hassle because you want to buy my gun.... I cant take the picture so you can get some other seller,i already did the best i could do,i sent my Military ID,more pictures of me at work and picture of my wife holding my phone number,isnt that OK enough? Just get another seller and i will get another buyer also........ Have a good night.


I want to call the CID but not sure if I should start with NJ (where I live) or IL where he wants the check sent. It's too bad the locals don't want to do ANYTHING about it- I'm sure the address he wants it sent to is an abandoned home, all they would have to do is hide a trail cam or two and snap some photos of the license plate.

It's on a dead end street, if you use Google Earth and type in the address you can even see it. Here is a link that allows you to virtually "walk down" S. Russel Street:

http://www.earth-scout.com/google-st...%20St.%2062907

and here is an overview of the neighborhood and a view looking down the whole street ... I can't make out any house numbers but I bet one of you folks can figure out which one is #302. You can even see one of the neighbors well enough to ID his face! It's crazy how detailed and specific you can get using free simple Internet tools! Use the link above and try to figure out which one is #302.

Ah, Also forgot this little tidbit: he gave me the name of the bank along with details (I crossed out part of it because I'm certain some other scammer will find a way to make use of this info) . I don't think I should get involved with calling the bank, do you folks? My biggest concern is that this person may have stolen the ID of 'Danielle Gamache'. I'm going to see what comes up on Facebook using that name.

Bank Name: First Bank Of Campbell Hill
Holder's Name: Danielle R. Gamache
Account Number: 35xxx
Routing Number: 0812xxxxx
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Old June 18, 2012, 10:51 AM   #27
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Part of the reason you can't see his house is you can not "walk" in the right direction. 302 is the on the left if you did a 180 from your street view according to Google maps.
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Old June 18, 2012, 01:47 PM   #28
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Update

I called the local post office and the postmaster recognized the woman in the photo. I forwarded the original email with the fraudulent ID along with her photo, the address, the phone number for the post office, and her phone number to the one CID office in IL that listed an email and the CID office in NJ along with the FBI office closest to Ava, IL. I was a little disheartened that the IL CID office email bounced (as in not working) and no one picked up the phone at any of the CID offices I called- but I did leave a message.
Hopefully it will put an end to her scheming.
I'd love to call that phone number and tell her all this but putting her on alert won't help matters, and in this day and age I would probably be charged with harassment or something.
I'll fill you folks in if I have any additional info.
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Old June 18, 2012, 01:50 PM   #29
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I'd love to call that phone number and tell her all this
No, don't spoil the surprise party they are planning for her.
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Old June 18, 2012, 01:54 PM   #30
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Most excellent.
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Old June 18, 2012, 02:59 PM   #31
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Whoops missed post #4 showing his other listings.
I surprised he does want to use google check out for payment.
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Old June 18, 2012, 03:00 PM   #32
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Yea.
I mentioned that in post #4.

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Old June 19, 2012, 10:24 AM   #33
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There is a Danielle R. Gamache in Cutler, Il. I wouldn't be surprised if she is the scammer, using her real name. It would make the process of cashing the money order a lot easier. I am work and don't have much more time, but a quick google/facebook search turned up some possible relatives and a bunch of other info. Anyone with more time then myself could have some fun with this....
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Old June 19, 2012, 12:12 PM   #34
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Most of the time these clowns get away with it, because as an ATF agent told me, we don't have the time to set up a sting operation, and until they actualy send the gun and take the money it's all alleged. Even if picked up it's a white collar crime unless the military gets involved, they get out the same day and do it again. Non violent crimes don't get the same type of response as crimes commited with a weapon, or a robbery mugging etc. I wish you guys the best in getting the SOB, but after wasting 2 weeks on one of these, I saw that no one but me was interested in catching them. It was the same deal, a drivers license,with an 89 year old lady whose husband passed away, Meanwhile they were running so many scams that they got the gun and my name mixed up, I called local and ATF with no interest, I did speak to the agent in charge in South FL, but he said we would have to have his bosses permision to set up a sting, and he would never be bothered for a single gun.
That's why this crap still goes on, same as credit card theft, all 3 of my neighboors have had a problem in the past year. Someone in Europe was buying musical instruments with my card, which was expired and in my safe.They get them when they hack into a stores data base. But these banks don't care, they send you a form and you fill it out and we end up paying for it in bailouts and taxes.The woman on the phone could care less when I asked her why they pu through an expired card from an American in his 60's buying a horn in Germany, without checking or calling first, she said ,"call the store" in Germany, sure i'll do that.
Too bad someone doesn't live near this person, They could knock on the door, and ask if they had the gun for sale, That would shake them up good. She wouldn't know who or what was happening. Then once you id 'd her you just might get the sherriff to arrest her.

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Old June 21, 2012, 08:31 PM   #35
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Another Scammer on Texasguntrader.com

Outstanding work uncovering these maggots. There was a wilson cqb on texasguntrader.com a few months ago where a user was running a scam. The user was aceskit. Their email address was kitaces@yahoo.com

I asked to meet them to look over the gun. They had the audacity to try to get me to send a money order and they would "ship" it. I played along and asked for their address. Below is conversation:

From me to scammer: I am ready to send money order. What is your address?

Aces Kit kitaces@yahoo.com to me:

Address for payment below,be sure to overnight it to enable me ship ASAP and send the tracking for easy follow up

Shari King 2318-C Capitan. Corpus Christi Texas 78414



from me to scammer: if this is your real address, then do you actually think I would send you a money order overnight? hahahahaha

dude, or chic...whatever you are....so many things wrong with your scam...overnight, postal money order. you really have someone send you a money order? ***? karma is a **********



Then silence from them. Imagine that.

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Old June 24, 2012, 11:31 AM   #36
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Mine showed up on FL gun trader, the following day she claimed to be in Detroit. I told her she needed an FFL, she said she just picked it up. I said where? it was just so poorlly done that I was surprised that anyone fell for it. But Fl gun trader is notorious for this stuff.
Try to avoid using them unless you can do an FTF. I have gotten a couple nice deals from legit folks who were just as disgusted as I was with $400.00 kimbers and Colts.If it looks too good, "you know the rest. And also you have to be careful of being robbed by these gangs. They will make you drive out to the sticks, and meet up with you and your cash, with 2 trucks full of dirtbags.
Always set your meetings in a local gun store or major chain store. Like a Home depot.
Bring a friend, with a seperate car or truck and a rifle. It's too bad we have to worry about things like this also.
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Old June 24, 2012, 12:57 PM   #37
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I would definitely report it to CID or the FBI. It is a federal crime to counterfeit a federal ID card, and I can straight up tell you that it is a counterfeit. there are no watermarks, there is no such thing as an "OF3" in the military, and if you look at his pic, he has full-color patches or something on his uniform. The only full color patch on an Army uniform is the American Flag, and it is on the shoulder. Also, if you look at the position of his arms, he is holding the camera, which is not something the ID card office lets you do.
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Old June 26, 2012, 09:09 PM   #38
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Both on gunbroker and auction arms as well as ebay I have passed up great listings when the seller had no feedback. They might have been legit but for high dollar items guns or guitar stuff or whatever I won't take the chance when the seller has no history.

Smaller dollar items, I have bought from no feedback new sellers and so far no problem except a $7 vase on ebay one time I never got.

Oh another thing, check what items they have sold in the past if they do have feedback. One time I saw a item I wanted on ebay that was around $400 and after checking the feedback they had only been active for a couple months and all the feedback was for $1 items which didn't seem right.

There is no absolute guarantee you'll never get burned but with some caution and common sense chances are you'll score some great stuff and have a smooth transaction.

That site listing the scam, if it won't show sellers history I would never buy....
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Old June 27, 2012, 01:36 PM   #39
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No, don't spoil the surprise party they are planning for her.

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If that's a picture of his wife, he is already being punished!!
You guys have me rolling here.
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Old June 29, 2012, 10:53 AM   #40
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As many have said, CID or FBI. That is a fake federal ID.

A rather pathetic attempt too.
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Old July 1, 2012, 01:16 PM   #41
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Bottom line fellas, if the price is too good to be true, it probably is.
Somebody's been doing this on the local Armslist site too, and they're always easy to spot - They're not asking retail for their used weapons. Heh heh... If not more than retail.
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Old July 9, 2012, 11:14 PM   #42
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The postmaster knew the woman, she's new in town, he said he doesn't deliver there anyway so she would have never got the money order.
Say what you want about Paypal, but it's getting to the point where it's the only safe way to pay for stuff except for face to face. Using a credit card on Paypal offers 2 layers of protection and the nominal fees they charge are worth it to me.
While we are on the topic, what are some of your other suggestions to complete transactions safely? I usually insist on a phone conversation and some kind of verifiable address, workplace verification, etc.
Like it's been said- these folks are getting bolder and bolder because getting caught has zero consequence. I would hope that in this case she is at least embarrassed to be pegged as a thief in a small town, but I suppose that's why she's "new in town", a condition that petty thieves probably find themselves in a whole bunch of times over the course of their lives.
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Old July 11, 2012, 02:50 AM   #43
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Say what you want about Paypal, but it's getting to the point where it's the only safe way to pay for stuff except for face to face.
Unless of course you are the seller. Paypal offers ZERO protection or intervention, or even a care in the world to the seller. I encountered someone on Ebay who bought an item, and I asked twice to leave feedback. He then said I was harassing him, and filed a claim against me. No damaged goods, plenty of pictures, emails and calls on my end.. and they still awarded him his funds (to their expense, as I removed my bank account info the second he filed a claim)..simply because they didn't want him to initiate a chargeback with his bank. They lost the money either way. It ended up in collections, and I won the dispute there.
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Old July 24, 2012, 11:39 AM   #44
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Contact the USPS. If this guy is fraudulently taking money by mail, it is mail fraud and they take that very seriously.
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Old July 24, 2012, 10:36 PM   #45
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I have been dealing with this guy from a post on Armslist for a MKA 1919 and he finally sent me his # 314-338-4617 only he said he was from Middletown Ohio and sent me a pic of his military ID Hopefully you guys get this POS.
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Old July 24, 2012, 10:46 PM   #46
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The name on the military ID is Michelle Hatton
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Old July 24, 2012, 10:56 PM   #47
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I still have all of my emails.
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Old July 25, 2012, 05:28 PM   #48
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Hmmm area code 314 is near St. Louis, MO.....
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Old July 25, 2012, 08:35 PM   #49
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Last week an officer called me and said they were pursuing her/them- great to see they actually took the time/manpower to do this!

The lesson I come away with is that it's worth it to pursue the bad guys sometimes, if we all just are too busy to bother then we all lose.
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Old July 26, 2012, 01:05 PM   #50
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