Caracal reliability, service - Page 4

Shuler13 · November 27, 2012, 07:52 PM

I own an m&p and its gonna cost $100 (apex kit and RAM) to get a trigger close to as nice as the caracal. It's smoother, less gritty and has the tactile reset.

jimbo555 · November 27, 2012, 08:18 PM

I own a m&p and I think the trigger is just fine the way it is.

Shuler13 · November 28, 2012, 01:41 AM

Agreed. The M&P trigger is fine. The Caracal is great. I own both and won't sell either. But stating the M&P can be had for $452 vs $399 isn't really all there is to the story if a smooth trigger is really important to you. The major complaint I have read time and again about the M&P is the gritty trigger with no tactile or audible reset (a preference for many and a deal killer for some). The fix to which is the Apex kit and RAM. That equipment is an extra $100 not required on the caracal.

PabloJ · November 28, 2012, 02:20 AM

The S&W is not a bad pistol.
As for myself I will hold out for Arsenal 'Strike One' weapon. For my next piece I want something truly ugly.

jimbo555 · November 28, 2012, 07:36 AM

I don't care how smooth the trigger is. I won't send any of my money to the uae.

Shuler13 · November 28, 2012, 08:02 AM

Fair enough.

Prince Yamato · November 28, 2012, 08:28 AM

I really want the sub compact model. Does it still not make enough points for import?

Urban_Redneck · November 28, 2012, 10:02 AM

The UAE buys lots from us, I consider buying a couple pistols a polite gesture on my part

U.S. in $3.5 billion arms sale to UAE amid Iran tensions

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON | Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:42am EST

(Reuters) - The United States has signed a $3.5 billion sale of an advanced antimissile interception system to the United Arab Emirates, part of an accelerating military buildup of its friends and allies near Iran.

bds · June 16, 2013, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bds

Just a thought ...

Had the Caracal been manufactured in a different country like Germany, we might be having a very different thread discussion ...

Who knows, a few years from now, we might be having Glock vs M&P vs Caracal thread discussions ...

For me, I think competition is healthy as it forces manufacturers to continuously improve their products. Just look at what auto racing did to our cars we drive ... Anyone care to guess why our family sedans have variable valve timing and 6/8 speed transmissions? Certainly not because of corporate bean counters ...

I say, bring it on and let the competitions begin!

Imagine what Gen5 Glocks and future M&Ps may be like in a few years ... I can't wait.

Well, I guess Caracal is going through growing pains ...

Recall #1: Production tolerance issues - http://www.caracal-usa.com/press/Car...call-Update-2/

Quote:

Nov 24, 2012 7:42:23 AM

As a further update to our October 19, 2012 recall notice, Caracal USA, LLC is advising its customers that it has determined that the production tolerances in the grip frames of a very limited number of Caracal F and C pistols could possibly cause these pistols to fire if dropped onto a hard surface with a round in the chamber.

Recall #2: Improperly heat treated slides - http://www.caracal-usa.com/press/Car...Recall-Notice/

Quote:

Mar 28, 2013 3:23:56 AM

TRUSSVILLE, Alabama – Caracal International LLC instituted a recall of Caracal Model C pistols on February 27, 2013 pending an investigation, because the safety of its consumers is paramount to Caracal.

Caracal has completed its investigation and determined that this recall only applies to a limited number of slides of Model C pistols that had been improperly heat treated.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=703129

November 27, 2012, 07:52 PM	#76
Shuler13 Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 225	I own an m&p and its gonna cost $100 (apex kit and RAM) to get a trigger close to as nice as the caracal. It's smoother, less gritty and has the tactile reset.

November 27, 2012, 08:18 PM	#77
jimbo555 Member Join Date: December 11, 2011 Location: Statesboro,Georgia Posts: 353	I own a m&p and I think the trigger is just fine the way it is.

November 28, 2012, 01:41 AM	#78
Shuler13 Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 225	Agreed. The M&P trigger is fine. The Caracal is great. I own both and won't sell either. But stating the M&P can be had for $452 vs $399 isn't really all there is to the story if a smooth trigger is really important to you. The major complaint I have read time and again about the M&P is the gritty trigger with no tactile or audible reset (a preference for many and a deal killer for some). The fix to which is the Apex kit and RAM. That equipment is an extra $100 not required on the caracal.

November 28, 2012, 02:20 AM	#79
PabloJ Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Posts: 2,888	The S&W is not a bad pistol. As for myself I will hold out for Arsenal 'Strike One' weapon. For my next piece I want something truly ugly.

November 28, 2012, 07:36 AM	#80
jimbo555 Member Join Date: December 11, 2011 Location: Statesboro,Georgia Posts: 353	I don't care how smooth the trigger is. I won't send any of my money to the uae.

November 28, 2012, 08:02 AM	#81
Shuler13 Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 225	Fair enough.

November 28, 2012, 08:28 AM	#82
Prince Yamato Member Join Date: August 16, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,194	I really want the sub compact model. Does it still not make enough points for import?

November 28, 2012, 10:02 AM	#83
Urban_Redneck Member Join Date: May 10, 2012 Posts: 101	The UAE buys lots from us, I consider buying a couple pistols a polite gesture on my part U.S. in $3.5 billion arms sale to UAE amid Iran tensions By Jim Wolf WASHINGTON \| Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:42am EST (Reuters) - The United States has signed a $3.5 billion sale of an advanced antimissile interception system to the United Arab Emirates, part of an accelerating military buildup of its friends and allies near Iran.