SAAMI video on ammunition and fire fighter safety - Page 2

GlockFan · December 16, 2012, 07:37 PM

What I was really hoping for was what about ammo stored in a safe or rsc. I would think that it would be safest in it in a fire. If, from what they show, that ignited rounds can not penetrate sheet-rock, that a steel box would be even better. And the whole "pipe bomb" thing I have heard people say in the past about ammo stored in a safe seems to be discredited here too since there was never a massive explosion in any tests.

fireman 9731 · December 19, 2012, 03:07 PM

Great video! It will be used for training at my department and I will pass it along to colleagues at other departments.

NAK · December 23, 2012, 12:14 AM

Great video, but I started to feel nauseated about half way through it.

armed hiker · December 23, 2012, 10:02 AM

With today's prices of ammo .There is great harm that can come to firefighters and first responders from crazed ammo buyers running into the fire to save the ammo.

Be safe out there

barnetmill · December 26, 2012, 08:51 PM

For ignition of large quantities of powder I suggest you read Hatcher's notebook. I have not read my copy in a very long time, so I will refrain from using my memory and direct interested people to research it themselves.

cbuttre835 · January 6, 2013, 10:06 AM

Excellent video. I've seen those effects first hand, it's really underwhelming. One house was owned by a pair of national guardsmen; they had thousands of rounds of ammo. Drove the arson dog nuts; he kept hitting on the remnants of ammo cans that were under the beds.

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The 140 cubic foot acetylene tank would probably level the structure if it went

Been there, done that, too. There's a plug near the top of the tank that melts at low temp to prevent pressure build up. The tank was blowing about an 8-inch flame out of that hole. (machine shop fire). Really underwhelming.

rl2013 · January 10, 2013, 07:46 PM

Good post! It was sad to see so much expensive ammo go. I was a bit humbled when some of my test predictions turned out wrong

Killian · January 17, 2013, 12:29 PM

I did have a firefighter cousin lightly wounded by birdshot that cooked off on a shelf during a fire. They theorized it must have been pushed up against a backstop of some kind in order to have propelled the shot. Their previous experience had been loud popping but no projectiles during previous fires.

Atbat82 · January 17, 2013, 02:37 PM

That's pretty cool. I gotta tell ya, those fire fighters must really have a pair.

Imagine that conversation:

SAAMI: "We want you to stand in front of this burning trailer full of ammo. We're pretty sure no projectiles will fire with enough force to injure you"

FF: "Uh...did you say 'pretty sure'"

SAAMI: "Well yea, we need to run the experiment to be certain. That's where you come in"

FF: "Eh, what the heck. Sure"

bengals1975 · January 27, 2013, 11:24 AM

What a great video! I had been wondering what could happen to a fire fighter should my house catch on fire and my ammo started cooking off. It's a relief to see it's really not that big of an issue. Seems like it will likely stay completely contained within my safe.

RM686 · February 8, 2013, 05:37 PM

just ruined every action adventure movie I have seen where the hero throws a grenade into he bad guys ammo dump and blows the whole place to pieces for a 2 block area.

Blackstone · February 9, 2013, 05:49 PM

Or that fireplace scene in "Shoot 'em Up"

jschneider93 · April 14, 2013, 06:21 PM

I wish they would have done the drop test with rimfire ammo. That would have been interesting.

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Originally Posted by alsaqr

Been doing EOD/UXO stuff since 1959. i've burned a billion or two rounds of small arms ammo, mostly in open pits with scrap wood for cover, if any. Seldom does the bullet from a round project further than 20 feet from the pit.

i've burned ammo in US military cans too. 99 percent of the time the bullets just dent the can. Sometimes .50 caliber ammo will blow the can open.

Steel cased ammo in calibers 12.7mm and 14.5mm are another matter. Sometimes these rounds project small fragments of the case at a high velocity.

Most of this stuff is 5.56mm and 7.62 ammo

Did you ever try any steel cased 5.56, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r or similar types like what many of us have cases of?

**hso** · April 16, 2013, 02:13 PM

None of it matters. The physics of it is simple and the behavior is consistent. Without a barrel for the bullet to be pushed down and build up speed the risk is insignificant.

Cactus Jack Arizona · April 18, 2013, 04:23 PM

HSO, this is probably one of the best videos to be mentioned on this site. One of my main concerns/fears have been fire fighters being hurt or killed due to ammo cook off during a possible fire at my apartment complex. I can now relax somewhat over that issue.

One of the buildings in my complex burned last year, completely destroying 12 units and damaging another 4. I wasn't there at the time so I don't know if anyone in that building had stored ammo. Regardless, nothing was mentioned about an ammo cook off on the newscast.

Again, thanks for posting.

December 19, 2012, 03:07 PM	#27
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December 23, 2012, 12:14 AM	#28
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February 9, 2013, 05:49 PM	#37
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April 16, 2013, 02:13 PM	#39
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April 18, 2013, 04:23 PM	#40
Cactus Jack Arizona Member Join Date: July 25, 2008 Location: Southwest MO Posts: 617	HSO, this is probably one of the best videos to be mentioned on this site. One of my main concerns/fears have been fire fighters being hurt or killed due to ammo cook off during a possible fire at my apartment complex. I can now relax somewhat over that issue. One of the buildings in my complex burned last year, completely destroying 12 units and damaging another 4. I wasn't there at the time so I don't know if anyone in that building had stored ammo. Regardless, nothing was mentioned about an ammo cook off on the newscast. Again, thanks for posting. __________________ VIVA LA CONSTITUTION!!!!!!

December 23, 2012, 10:02 AM	#29
armed hiker Member Join Date: December 22, 2010 Posts: 32	With today's prices of ammo .There is great harm that can come to firefighters and first responders from crazed ammo buyers running into the fire to save the ammo. Be safe out there

December 26, 2012, 08:51 PM	#30
barnetmill Member Join Date: June 6, 2006 Posts: 523	For ignition of large quantities of powder I suggest you read Hatcher's notebook. I have not read my copy in a very long time, so I will refrain from using my memory and direct interested people to research it themselves.

January 10, 2013, 07:46 PM	#32
rl2013 Member Join Date: January 9, 2013 Posts: 4	Good post! It was sad to see so much expensive ammo go. I was a bit humbled when some of my test predictions turned out wrong

January 17, 2013, 12:29 PM	#33
Killian Member Join Date: February 2, 2007 Posts: 236	I did have a firefighter cousin lightly wounded by birdshot that cooked off on a shelf during a fire. They theorized it must have been pushed up against a backstop of some kind in order to have propelled the shot. Their previous experience had been loud popping but no projectiles during previous fires.

January 17, 2013, 02:37 PM	#34
Atbat82 Member Join Date: November 20, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 110	That's pretty cool. I gotta tell ya, those fire fighters must really have a pair. Imagine that conversation: SAAMI: "We want you to stand in front of this burning trailer full of ammo. We're pretty sure no projectiles will fire with enough force to injure you" FF: "Uh...did you say 'pretty sure'" SAAMI: "Well yea, we need to run the experiment to be certain. That's where you come in" FF: "Eh, what the heck. Sure"

January 27, 2013, 11:24 AM	#35
bengals1975 Member Join Date: January 23, 2013 Posts: 32	What a great video! I had been wondering what could happen to a fire fighter should my house catch on fire and my ammo started cooking off. It's a relief to see it's really not that big of an issue. Seems like it will likely stay completely contained within my safe.

February 8, 2013, 05:37 PM	#36
RM686 Member Join Date: March 13, 2007 Posts: 3	just ruined every action adventure movie I have seen where the hero throws a grenade into he bad guys ammo dump and blows the whole place to pieces for a 2 block area.