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Join Date: December 26, 2002
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How to do the World's best oil finish
Here's my directions to get a true custom gun oil finish with the "egg shell satin finish" that everyone talks about, but which you almost never actually see: Do all sanding, staining, and whiskering. Buy a pint can of Minwax Antique Oil Finish: http://www.minwax.com/products/speci...ntique-oil.cfm I have no idea what's in this stuff, but it drys to the absolute HARDEST, waterproof and solvent-proof finish I've ever seen, with the possible exception of an epoxy finish like Remington's "Bowling pin" finish. This stuff is totally unaffected by lacquer thinner when fully hardened, and unlike tung and linseed oils, on a hot day a sweaty face on the stock won't raise the grain. Here's how I apply it. First, do as the directions on the can specify, by applying a thin coat, allow to stand 5 to 10 minutes until it starts to get sticky, then buff off with a clean, lint-free cloth. An old linen sheet works great. Let dry 24 hours, then apply again. I put on 3 coats this way. This starts to fill the grain, and speeds drying for the later steps. After three coats as a sealer, apply a thin coat and allow to dry BONE DRY on the surface. This may take 24 hours or more, and in some cases of really open grain wood, the first may not dry at all. Using finer steel wool, steel wool the finish off the wood. As you steel wool, the surface coat will turn "muddy" looking so you can see it. Be careful around proof stamps and sharp edges to not round edges off or thin stamps. After steel wooling the stock down to bare wood, clean the stock with brushes or compressed air, then apply another coat, allow to dry and steel wool off. Continue this until the grain of the wood is 100% FULL, and you can see NO open grain. When held up to a light and sighted along the grain, open grain will look like tiny scratches in the surface. Usually 4 coats will fill all but the most open grain. After the last coat is steel wooled off, THOROUGHLY clean the wood. Then, apply a thin coat and allow to stand for several minutes until it starts to get sticky. Using several clean cloth pads thoroughly buff the surface until all traces of finish are off. This is a "color coat" that will give the bare wood more of a color without any build up on the surface. After buffing, allow the wood to age out and fully harden for 3 to 4 days. After aging, buy some new burlap at a fabric store, and make a small pad from several layers. Briskly buff the wood to burnish the surface and bring out the egg shell luster. The advantages of the Minwax Oil finish are: It's HARD and incredibully tough. It's water and solvent proof. It can be repaired or overhauled by adding more oil and buffing. Scratches can be filled by coating and steel wooling again. It's a REAL oil finish that looks like those seen on British double guns and American custom rifles. It's a life time finish that never has to be done over ever again. All the finish is IN the wood, not ON it so it looks like an original. Here's a 1950 Marlin 39-A I'm in the process of restoring. The stock was originally an oil finish that was varnished some time in the past. I scraped the old varnish off, lightly sanded it and finished as above with Minwax Antique finish. The stock shows a perfectly smooth surface with no open grain at all, and has a extremely smooth, velvety feel. ![]() ![]()
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Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: Dixieland
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That's really smooth and attractive dfariswheel! Good work!
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Join Date: April 5, 2006
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Wow, that does make for an excellant looking finish. I've never tried that. I've got several stock projects coming up and I'm definately going to try it. Thanks.
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Join Date: October 2, 2004
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MSDS says it contains
MSDS
says it contains Cobalt 2-ethylhexanoate 000136-52-7 0.2% Solvent naphtha, petroleum, medium aliphatic 064742-88-7 65% MSDS for Cobalt 2-ethylhexanoate is here. Also do you know what astroturfing is?
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Join Date: January 19, 2006
Location: Happy Valley, UT
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Looks awesome.
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Join Date: October 2, 2004
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Sorry if that sounded curt. It is an excellent finish. I need one for an old Western Field shotgun stock I've stripped and sanded and will try it.
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Join Date: October 8, 2006
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ohhh, man he's got a lever gun.. Model 71? the fact it's on a lever gun makes it twice as nice.....That finish really is georgous Dfariswheel. a job well done. Thanks for the tutorial.
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Join Date: April 5, 2006
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Has anyone tried the Sam Maloof finish? It sounds like it turns out pretty similar without much work. Sure does make for a pretty finish. I'm curious about it but don't know anyone who uses it.
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Join Date: August 10, 2004
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Join Date: December 26, 2002
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It sure as Hell is NOT water soluble.
Clean up is with paint thinner. It's like a medium weight oil. I've used brushes, a paper towel or cloth pad, and in one gooey case, my fingers to smear it on. Again, follow the can directions for the first three "sealer" coats. Apply a medium coat, allow to dry 5 to 10 minutes, then buff off with a lint-free cloth. Let dry 24 hours. After the first three coats, apply a thin coat and let dry bone dry, steel wool off, and repeat until the wood is full. You want a coat just thick enough that it won't run. As the wood pores fill up, it drys faster. The last few coats dry so fast, depending on the weather, you can put two to three coats on during a long day. |
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Join Date: December 29, 2005
Location: Phila. Pa.
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Thanks for the tips Farris. I have a stock I`m about ready to redo for an 1891 Argentine and I`m going to go along with your method. By the way ... great looking job you did.
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Join Date: December 16, 2006
Location: Kentucky
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That finish looks great. Thanks for the tips
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Join Date: April 21, 2006
Location: Colorado Springs
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That sounds a whole lot easier than boiled linseed oil. I am always fighting runs and stuff floating through the air that wants to stick to the stock.
Your works looks beautiful. |
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Join Date: October 11, 2003
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Can it be applied over a Birchwood-Casey Tru-Oil finish? Or must it be applied on bare wood only?
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Join Date: December 29, 2002
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Doesn't that antique Danish style oil have stains in it? For good wood I like straight BLO better.
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Robert Hairless:
You have to remove all old finishes so the Minwax can soak into the wood. Minwax is what Tru-Oil was supposed to be. Cosmoline: Minwax USED to sell the Antique Oil finish with a walnut stain mixed in. Apparently they've discontinued it, and now sell only the clear finish. Give this stuff a try. It's MUCH better, harder, and tougher than any linseed oil, and is far more waterproof. |
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Join Date: October 11, 2003
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Thanks, dfariswheel. As luck would have it I've just completed a refinish with Tru-Oil. Next time, though, I'll use your method. I trust you.
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Join Date: March 16, 2004
Location: Oklahoma City
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I'm giving this a try now. Stock has the color coat on and has another day to dry before I hit it with the burlap. It's done a beautiful job of filling the grain, I think it'll finish out a beautifully as you say.
Good stuff and a good method.
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Join Date: November 8, 2006
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i can't see the pic?
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Join Date: March 17, 2005
Location: Austin, TX
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Quick question, I basically start applying this stuff in place of a wood filler, then continue on from there? Reason I'm asking Is I'm hitting the hardware store tommorow and trying to figure out if I need wood filler as well.
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Join Date: March 16, 2004
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From what I've seen on this piece, unless the wood is badly in need of filling, I'd start with the Minwax. Might take more coats to fill in, but you'd have this finish all the way through. Plus, the filler might keep the Minwax from working as it should.
I need to get some burlap tomorrow, it'll be ready to buff by then, then I'll post a picture of it.
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Join Date: October 8, 2006
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This tutorial should be a sticky...
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Join Date: June 15, 2005
Location: Michigan
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How do you deal with the checkering? I have an old shotgun I'd like to try it on but I don't want to wear down the checkering on it by rubbing with steel wool.
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Join Date: September 23, 2006
Location: NJ
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Here's that thread...
I was looking for this for weeks.
Those jaberwalkies must have hidden it.
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Join Date: October 1, 2003
Location: Land of the Bean & the Cod
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Filler - skip it in most cases. It may not be the same color (whether or not you use stain) as the wood. Most wood used in gunstocks is dense enough that it shouldn't need it.
Checkering - put masking tape over the checkering and then *carefully* trace the outside border with a razor knife. Use hi-tack tape, like the blue 3M painter's tape. |
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