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Old January 18, 2013, 06:29 PM   #1
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Uberti's New 12-shot 22LR Single Action Revolver

I am pleased to see that Uberti has come out with a full-sized 12 shot 22LR single action revolver. It seems like a natural. USFA has a short-lived 12 shot model but it was very expensive and plagued by quality issues.

Uberti 1873 Cattleman

I was getting ready to settle for a Ruger Single Ten but maybe now I'll wait. What's the dope on Uberti? Do they make quality firearms? Thanks.
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Old January 18, 2013, 06:37 PM   #2
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Nice now I have to add another one to the list.
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Old January 18, 2013, 06:38 PM   #3
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I like that they chose to flute the cylinder with six flutes, instead of twelve. Looks much nicer that way.
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Old January 18, 2013, 06:50 PM   #4
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YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like the new Horseman series to!

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1873-horseman.php
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Old January 18, 2013, 06:57 PM   #5
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My personal comparison for my own application. I shoot rimfire action matches:

Uberti 12-shot Cattleman:

Pros: Full-sized; 12 shots, barrel length I want (6.5 or 7.5)

Cons: Blued finished


Ruger Single Ten:

Pros: Stainless, target sights, Ruger's service/support.

Cons: Not full-sized; only 10 rounds; barrel is only 4 5/8 or 5 1/2.


I think Ruger dropped the ball when they did not offer a 12-shot single action instead of the new Single Ten.

I need to find out more about Uberti. I wonder if this model will require carrying it with the hammer down on an empty cylinder like the original Colt? Will you be able to load two rounds each click of the cylinder like the USFA 12/22? Is Uberti owned by Beretta?
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Old January 18, 2013, 08:56 PM   #6
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Yes, Uberti is owned by Beretta, that new "Horseman" is essentially a Beretta Stampede.

Since that new .22 12 shot is a "Cattleman", I assume it would need an empty chamber under the hammer, since there is no mention of a transfer bar safety, and the other rimfires by Uberti need an empty chamber under the hammer.
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Old January 18, 2013, 09:02 PM   #7
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I really want that 12 shot, I have wanted a full size .22 SA, but 6 shot ones always weighed a ton, hope by boring out 12 holes in the cylinder, it will drastically bring the weight down!!
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Old January 18, 2013, 09:05 PM   #8
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Ruger did not "drop the ball" with the Single Ten. It has the maximum amount of ammunition that the Single Six frame could fit. They did this to provide a new handy and utilitarian 22lr SA revolver that will fit any holster or complete gun rig that will fit a Single Six. To gain a higher capacity, they would have to use the Blackhawk frame, and the resulting revolver would be even heavier than the Single Six already is.

Reloading a Single Six is already tedious. I have a Single Nine, which is even more tedious to reload. A 12 shot SA revolver would be twice as tedious to reload.

If you want to shoot a lot of 22lr in a revolver, I recommend a Taurus Tracker (9 shot) with HKS speedloaders.
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Old January 18, 2013, 09:59 PM   #9
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Ruger did not "drop the ball" with the Single Ten. It has the maximum amount of ammunition that the Single Six frame could fit. They did this to provide a new handy and utilitarian 22lr SA revolver that will fit any holster or complete gun rig that will fit a Single Six. To gain a higher capacity, they would have to use the Blackhawk frame, and the resulting revolver would be even heavier than the Single Six already is.

Reloading a Single Six is already tedious. I have a Single Nine, which is even more tedious to reload. A 12 shot SA revolver would be twice as tedious to reload.

If you want to shoot a lot of 22lr in a revolver, I recommend a Taurus Tracker (9 shot) with HKS speedloaders.
Ruger certainly dropped the ball in my opinion. A 12-shot 22LR revolver based on the Blackhawk or Vaquero would have made a great deal more sense to me.

The result would have been a full-sized revolver that would have fit existing rigs for centerfire single actions. Far more realistic too in terms in history too.

The tedium of reloading is a non-starter. One way or the other the rounds need to be placed in the gun to make it go bang. Spend a bit more time loading a 12-shot or load a 6-shooter twice as much. Your choice. You could even choose to load your 12-shooter with 6 rounds if you really wanted to. I suspect in the end a 12-shooter is less tedious than a 6-shooter through a day of shooting.
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Old January 18, 2013, 10:03 PM   #10
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Does anyone here have a good feel for the quality of Uberti revolvers? Are they on a par with Ruger and S&W? How does their service compare to Ruger/S&W?

I wonder if replacement grips for a SAA Colt will fit it?

I wonder if two rounds can be loaded through the loading gate at a time like the USFA 12/22?
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Old January 18, 2013, 10:46 PM   #11
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I've never had a problem with a Uberti, some may not have the slickest action from "the box", but that can be cleaned up.
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Old January 18, 2013, 10:56 PM   #12
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No problems from either of my Ubertis. I'd pick up another in a heartbeat.
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Old January 19, 2013, 12:02 AM   #13
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Not trying to thread jack, but is this legal for me to own in CA? We have exemptions for certain tube magazines, hopefully someone from the legal world living in CA will stop by.
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Old January 19, 2013, 12:12 AM   #14
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Not trying to thread jack, but is this legal for me to own in CA? We have exemptions for certain tube magazines, hopefully someone from the legal world living in CA will stop by.
Good question.

USFA shipped their 12/22 to CA and they made a big point of out saying it was legal to do so. I suspect they had a letter from the CA DOJ.

Single action revolvers are a non-issue with regard to the approved roster. The fact that it's a 22 probably has the DOJ treating 22 revolvers along the lines of tube-fed 22 rifles.
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Old January 19, 2013, 12:18 AM   #15
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I hope you don't live in NY State because if you do, you can't own that SA .22LR revolver.
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Old January 19, 2013, 06:07 AM   #16
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I like that it's on a full size frame and that they have 6 flutes instead of 12 on the cylinder. I would definitely consider getting one over a Ruger Single Ten.
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Old January 19, 2013, 11:42 AM   #17
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USFA has a short-lived 12 shot model but it was very expensive and plagued by quality issues.
I paid a whopping $676 for my 12/22, which is probably the best made .22 single action ever produced. Aside from Freedom Arms. Not bad considering that this new Uberti will be at least $500. USFA stopped making ALL single actions, not just the 12/22.

I would also love to know of these quality issues it was "plagued" with.

Ruger certainly did not drop the ball with the Single Ten. The platform is much better suited to the cartridge. Most people do not want a Colt SAA-sized .22LR, let alone a large frame Blackhawk. Personally, I find the weight of the 12/22 to be entirely manageable but I have never been in a discussion about it where folks did not complain about the weight of a full sized SAA chambered in .22LR, no matter how many chambers there are.



By comparison:
A 4¾" .45Colt weighs 36oz.
A 4¾" .44Spl weighs 39oz.
A 4¾" .38Spl weighs 42oz.
A 4¾" 12/22 weighs 44oz.
A 5½" Single Six weighs 33oz.
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Old January 19, 2013, 11:51 AM   #18
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I plan on picking one up since I don't currently have a 22LR in any gun but a few thousand rounds of it. Now when they actually hit the market places like Bud's will probably be pricing them in the same range as the standard Cattleman models. I've been considering picking up a cheap single action gun for awhile but will hold off now till this comes out.
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Old January 19, 2013, 11:52 AM   #19
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I as really digging the frame on the Uberti ! The six flutes look very traditional too.

I got a up close look at the Ruger single ten at my LGS today, nice feel to it.
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Old January 19, 2013, 01:06 PM   #20
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Its amazing that nowadays if a gun company doesnt make a gun exactly like someone wants they "dropped the ball." No one can please everyone all the time and I certainly think that by the way ruger sells guns they havent "dropped the ball."
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Old January 19, 2013, 05:50 PM   #21
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Uberti makes very nice stuff. At the price point some individual examples might require a little custom work inside to achieve optimum smoothness for trigger and operation. But most certainly they will work right out of the box.

From the linked photo the firing pin fixed to the hammer can be clearly seen. So no transfer bar and you should only load 11 for carrying around.

I'm a sucker for blued and colour case hardening. So this one is more my speed than a Single ten.

I'd have to play with it a while but I suspect that I'd likely make up a 12 pin punching out tool and just remove the cylinder, punch out all the empties at one stab then I could load the holes up two or three at a time and re-install the cylinder in the frame to shoot.
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Old January 19, 2013, 08:26 PM   #22
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I hope that Uberi offers the 7.5" barreled version with target sights.
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Old January 19, 2013, 10:58 PM   #23
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That USFA is a beauty!! And they sure look to command much more than 600 now.


I know I'll be looking for the new Uberti when its out. My son can have my cheapo Plinkerton.
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Old January 19, 2013, 11:21 PM   #24
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This is a very timely thread. I'm looking into getting my first .22 revolver. I had convinced myself I was going to get the Single Six convertible 5.5" barrel in SS because it came with the extra .22 Mag cylinder. I love the look of the gun and can count on Ruger quality. I was just on the Ruger Web site and stumbled upon the Single Nine and Single ten.

Does anyone have the Combo model? I have never shot .22 Mag and don't even know why I would need one actually. What do people do with .22 Mag; hunt, plink, compete? Educate me please. I have several .22lr rifles and about 7k rounds of .22lr but only use it for plinking and shooting with the kids and wife and anyone looking to learn to shoot.
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Old January 20, 2013, 12:58 AM   #25
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I have the Single Ten, and 2 Single Six convertibles. The Single Ten is perfect. Its deadly accurate, beautiful, and built to heirloom quality. I really like the Fiber Optic sights, as its easy for my eyes to pick up the green much better than black. When you are plinking, the 4 extra rounds over a six shot just makes it a lot more fun. I dont see how Ruger "dropped the ball" in any way. You wont be able to appeal to everyone, and there are people who will hate just about anything different. If you go into shooting a Single Ten with an open mind, after about 3 cylinders full, you wont be saying Ruger dropped the ball.

I bought my Single Ten first, then decided I wanted a matched Single Six for WMR shooting. I love the SS with the Magnum cylinder. Its a completely different gun with the Magnum cylinder, as opposed to Long Rifle. I use it for long range groundhogs, and have splattered a bunch of them at distances easily over 50 yards with open sights. The WMR cartridge is a flat shooter, with alot more energy than Long Rifle. It even has some recoil, and a nice, satisfying fireball under low light conditions.

I then decided that I wanted a Single Action with a shorter barrel, and bought my 4 5/8" blued Single Six. I wish I would have known there was a Lipseys version in stainless, because I prefer stainless over blue, but my 4 5/8"SS is a beauty, as are the other two.

One thing to keep in mind with the convertibles, they will shoot to two different points of impact, so when sighting in, set your sights to one, or the other cartridge, and then find out where the other cartridge hits and use Kentucky Elevation. Both my convertibles hit the same, left to right with WMR and LR, its the elevation that's different, so I use the term Kentucky Elevation.





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