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Old August 15, 2014, 08:53 PM   #1
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My New Defensive Carbine

Hey guys, my new defensive carbine arrived at my LGS last week via Gun Broker. I have been wanting this gun for a long time now, and I must say, it was worth the wait! I now present to you, in all it's glory, my new Norinco Type 56 SKS rifle!





This gun is just awesome! I shot it once at the range last weekend, and it performed flawlessly through 120 rounds of Tula steel-cased 123 grain FMJ 7.62x39mm ammo. Accuracy at 50 yards standing produced groups of about 3", which is about tops for me. This gun has a very good trigger that breaks at I'd guess 6-7 lbs and with only minor creep, with a clean break. I have no doubts that the rifle is capable of much better than 6 MOA, I am not that experienced as a rifle shooter and I'd wager the gun could easily cut this number in half if shot from a bench with a better shooter than I.

I also got some accesories for this gun: some BXN65 Czech made stripper clips (excellent), two Russian made ammo pouches, a sling, and a cleaning rod since the gun originally didn't have one. I also bought a case worth of ammo which I intend to use for training and to keep loaded on stripper clips in the pouches for possible defensive uses.

So speaking of that, how would you rate my choice as a fighting carbine? I like the fact that it shoots 7.62x39mm ammo, which I hear is effective for personal defense (when over-penetration is not a primary concern) and is fairly inexpensive to train with and stock up on. I have practiced loading the rifle with the stripper clips and I must say, this thing can be reloaded FAST especially when drawing extra clips from the ammo pouch. This carbine only holds 10 rounds of ammo, but with semi-automatic fire and stripper clip feed I feel this will generally be enough for any defensive scenario I might find myself in. Do you feel this way too?

The recent events in the world had made it clear to me that it was time for me to get a rifle I could use for self defense in the situations that warranted such a weapon. Do you guys think the SKS could be a good rifle for this role? I appreciate any feedback on this.

Thanks!

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Old August 15, 2014, 09:02 PM   #2
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Good choice.

I have three of them. The Sino ones are the best deal going on a battle rifle, IMHO.
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Old August 15, 2014, 09:02 PM   #3
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SKS rifles are best in original form. Don't muck it up with stuff like a Tapco stock and detachable mags that don't work.
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Old August 15, 2014, 09:07 PM   #4
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SKS rifles are best in original form. Don't muck it up with stuff like a Tapco stock and detachable mags that don't work.
I have no plans to. I'm going to keep the rifle 100% as is. Any money spent towards it will be for more ammo and stripper clips!
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Old August 15, 2014, 09:13 PM   #5
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Probably a good thing I've never handled one of those, I can't afford any more guns. Enjoy it! My PD carbines are M1's.
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Old August 15, 2014, 09:24 PM   #6
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The SKS is one of the best combat rifles built. It is still in use in many countries. The Chinese wepons are very well made. I have owned a number of them &find them to work well for hunting & self defense. You have a good plan also. Buy ammo & clips! I would consider peep sights, but that's about all. Have fun & get good with it & you will be very well served for years.
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Old August 15, 2014, 09:40 PM   #7
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Caution! Those things are addictive.
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Old August 15, 2014, 10:25 PM   #8
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Yes, they are addictive. I almost bought #3 last weekend; had to stop myself.

Still a good deal, although more expensive now than years past. The AK may be a better true battle rifle, but I like the ergonomics of the SKS better.


I got my second one basically so that I can cannibalize it for parts if needed. These things are pretty low-maintenance though, so that will likely not be necessary in my lifetime. Be sure to clean up the gas piston every now and again if you shoot it a whole lot. If you let it get corroded, it is one of the more expensive parts to replace; around $30 plus shipping as of today. A spare recoil spring might not be a bad idea, or you could just get the whole spring assembly for around $20 plus shipping as of today. Those are the only parts I can really see even remotely worrying about, and you'd have to shoot the bejeebers out of it plus never do a drop of maintenance to even possibly have a problem after thousands of rounds. Otherwise, just shoot and enjoy. Congratulations.
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Old August 15, 2014, 10:28 PM   #9
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I'd rather use a SKS than a $1,500 AR. Remember, anything used in a shooting will be held as evidence until the shooter is cleared of criminal misconduct. For self-defense in a home, the SKS will do nicely.

Like with any piece of equipment, practice, practice, practice.
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Old August 15, 2014, 10:31 PM   #10
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well if this war breaks out I have the 7.62x54r mosin nagant 91/30 I hope it would help fight off any trouble!
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Old August 15, 2014, 10:31 PM   #11
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Yes, they are addictive. I almost bought #3 last weekend; had to stop myself.

Still a good deal, although more expensive now than years past. The AK may be a better true battle rifle, but I like the ergonomics of the SKS better.

There once was a time where I could get the Paratroopers for $100 each. Why didn't I get 10?
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Old August 16, 2014, 03:09 AM   #12
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There once was a time where I could get the Paratroopers for $100 each. Why didn't I get 10?
Because $100 then was like $500 now. XD

Nice rifle, OP. Get shooting
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Old August 16, 2014, 07:07 AM   #13
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Love the SKS. Just such a versatile gun.

Recently got a Ruskie, and remembered how fun they are. Do wish I could put the Chinese spike on it, though. Might have to get another one.
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Old August 16, 2014, 07:35 AM   #14
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I remember when gun stores (in California no less) had barrels set out with dozens of those things sticking out the top like umbrellas, $59 each.

Of course by the time I turned 18 they were gone.
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Old August 16, 2014, 01:40 PM   #15
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Very nice! Along with being a decent defensive weapon, that would also be a very serviceable rifle for 2A purposes... something all Americans should have. Also if you want it to be the very most effective defensively, you might look into some sort of expanding bullet. The steel cased FMJ stuff tends to yaw too late to do a huge amount of damage inside a person's body according to a lot of studies. Don't get me wrong, it will still ruin your day and penetrates hard barriers quite well for an intermediate powered round... but for defensive use you want every shot to be as likely as possible to take the other guy out of the fight. A bullet that reliably expands on impact would be worth getting a few clips worth of... and saving the FMJ stuff for training.
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Old August 16, 2014, 02:28 PM   #16
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Yes, I have been studing various ballistics gel test on YouTube to find the most effective HP loads for 7.62x39mm. Turns out Wolf's 122 grain HP load works very well in the gel test I've seen. Also Winchest PDX1 is supposed to be excellent, but it's very cost prohibitive to purchase the amount I'd want to run through the gun for reliability purposes.

I'm still on the hunt for some good defense loads for my SKS if anyone has any suggestions!
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Old August 16, 2014, 02:36 PM   #17
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Look at Hornady SST. Usually about $30/50, so not wicked expensive, and seems to do a great job of slowing a big bullet down in a target.
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Old August 16, 2014, 05:40 PM   #18
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This was my first "real" rifle. Bought it 20 years ago. You will love it and seek more. They are getting harder to come by.
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Old August 16, 2014, 05:51 PM   #19
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The best accessory for an SKS is a crate of ammo. I think I will shoot mine this week.
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Old August 16, 2014, 06:14 PM   #20
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Looks like a nice clean one. Congrats!

I think I need to break down and clean my bolt on my Russian. I got a double tap at the range last outing.

I also need to learn the proper technique for loading stripper clips; is there a trick to doing it?
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Old August 16, 2014, 06:17 PM   #21
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Old August 16, 2014, 06:23 PM   #22
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A far better choice than most of its contemporaries and one no one carrying something more modern should foolishly dismiss as significantly inferior for the first 10 shots of shooting in self-defense.
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Old August 16, 2014, 07:09 PM   #23
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UPDATE:

Just shot 100 more rounds through the gun at the range this afternoon. The gun, once again, performed FLAWLESSLY. I am really impressed with the trigger on this feller! Was shooting at a 25 yard range indoor target, sitting mostly with gun supported by arms with an ammo pouch to cushion elbow. Was managing about a 2" group this way. Again, I'm sure the rifle can do better, it's me that is holding it back!

My stripper clips for the rifle are BXN marked, and they performed wonderfully. I am also pleased with my Russian army leather ammo pouches. They are really nice! Now all I need is 10 thousand quintillion metric tons of ammunition and my own gravity negator so they don't collectively ignite in fusion!
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Old August 16, 2014, 10:31 PM   #24
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Loved mine, had to sell it to help pay for school.

Think it's an ok SD/HD rifle, but feel that it's a very good combat rifle and a great ranch rifle!

Just practice reloading quickly and you should be fine in most SD situations. You could be the next Jerry Miculek, but with stripper clips!
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Old August 18, 2014, 10:00 AM   #25
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Great choice, and a fine looking specimen!

Keep practicing those reloads. When you get good at it, you're not sacrificing much time over swapping detachable magazines, but you're keeping all the reliability over often finicky DBMs. Plus, you won't invoke 922r.
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