Form 1 Reason Question

CmdrSlander · January 27, 2013, 10:15 PM

I am working on my Form 1 and I have hit another snag; how do I answer this:

The real answer is "for fun" but somehow I don't think that is what the ATF wants.

Should I say "to replicate the Mk. 18 rifle used by the US Military as close as possible"? - which is also true.

Or should I say something along the lines of "target shooting" "recreation" etc?

Njal Thorgeirsson · January 27, 2013, 10:28 PM

"To enhance historically-relevant firearms collection and to use for any lawful recreational purposes"? That's probably about what I would write.

wally · January 27, 2013, 10:37 PM

I always just say "To add to my collection and all other lawful purposes".

Flyincedar · January 28, 2013, 12:46 AM

" All lawful purposes"

medalguy · January 28, 2013, 01:55 AM

All lawful purposes is what I use too. So far it's worked.

dprice3844444 · January 28, 2013, 06:57 AM

colllector of military type weapons

Aaron Baker · January 28, 2013, 07:57 AM

I've always used "for all lawful purposes" and never had a problem.

There's no particular "right" answer, but there's apparently wrong ones, since people have gotten forms kicked back for answers like "for the coming zombie apocalypse."

Keep it short and simple.

Aaron

Well Now · January 28, 2013, 07:58 AM

All lawful purposes.

tepin · January 28, 2013, 11:51 AM

"Any lawful purpose"

CoRoMo · January 28, 2013, 12:06 PM

"A boon for my YouTube channel"

Bubbles · January 28, 2013, 12:14 PM

"All lawful purposes" works and is safe.

I know a few who got "Zombies" approved before ATF started kicking them back.

CoRoMo · January 28, 2013, 12:32 PM

"An insatiable longing to be cool"

dbb1776 · January 28, 2013, 12:38 PM

Tacticool Ninja School

dbb1776 · January 28, 2013, 12:41 PM

Just googled Mk18. Looks like much fun post pics

CoRoMo · January 28, 2013, 04:02 PM

"So that she'll finally notice me"

forindooruseonly · January 29, 2013, 10:34 AM

When my dad started buying full-autos in the early 80s, he jokingly put down "investment" and then felt silly for sending it in that way... ridiculous how true that became because of the Hughes amendment.

I've put several things - "shooting/collecting", "all lawful purposes" or "investment" as well. From my understanding, as long as it's legal and not too much tongue-in-cheek, it doesn't matter much.

Carl N. Brown · January 29, 2013, 12:14 PM

State of Tennessee accepts NFA firearms as long as they are properly registered on the NFA registry and all federal laws have been complied with.

State of Tennessee also recognizes one of the legal reasons to own a gun as "curio or ornament".

I wonder if "curio or ornament"--making a replica of collectible curiosity firearm, say a De Lisle carbine--would be a reason acceptable to the ATF on a Form 1?

Elkins45 · February 14, 2013, 09:52 AM

In the case of manufacturing your own silencer a very truthful answer would be "significant cost reduction when compared to commercially sold units". I wonder if that would pass muster?

GoingQuiet · February 21, 2013, 06:17 PM

Zombie Defense

Keeping the King of England out of house

Chicks Dig Guns

newfalguy101 · February 21, 2013, 06:21 PM

"Because I can"

Course I have never filled out a form 1 or built my own gun.....

Charles S · February 21, 2013, 07:34 PM

"contract employment"

I figured that would not work for a can!

Charles

Prince Yamato · February 22, 2013, 08:48 AM

"All lawful purposes". It covers you at the range and it will cover you if you use the gun in self-defense.

AlexanderA · February 22, 2013, 10:18 AM

Don't try to get cute with the reason (such as by mentioning "zombies"). The ATF examiners don't have a sense of humor. Just stick with "all lawful purposes."

Ranb · February 22, 2013, 04:45 PM

Enhance firearm collection always works for me, 15 and counting.

Ranb

Telekinesis · February 22, 2013, 05:14 PM

" 'cause I already dun it" is always a classic

Any Lawful Purpose is what I put on my SBR's form 1.

January 27, 2013, 10:15 PM	#1
CmdrSlander Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Location: Disputed Western Missouri Posts: 1,173	Form 1 Reason Question I am working on my Form 1 and I have hit another snag; how do I answer this: The real answer is "for fun" but somehow I don't think that is what the ATF wants. Should I say "to replicate the Mk. 18 rifle used by the US Military as close as possible"? - which is also true. Or should I say something along the lines of "target shooting" "recreation" etc? __________________ *FOR SALE: Savage 10 Stock with NEXT Midwest Camo \| $65* Visit The High Road AR15 Picture Thread Visit The High Road Precision Rifle Picture Thread

January 27, 2013, 10:37 PM	#3
wally Member Join Date: January 2, 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 8,621	I always just say "To add to my collection and all other lawful purposes". __________________ Your commitment to Freedom and Liberty is measured by your tolerance for others doing things you disapprove. NRA Endowment Member, 2007. NRA Patron Member, 2009. NRA Benefactor Member 2012.

January 28, 2013, 12:46 AM	#4
Flyincedar Member Join Date: December 4, 2010 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 185	" All lawful purposes" __________________ Operations Manager LE Sales GunEnvy LLC 07 FFL/02 SOT

January 28, 2013, 07:57 AM	#7
Aaron Baker Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 314	I've always used "for all lawful purposes" and never had a problem. There's no particular "right" answer, but there's apparently wrong ones, since people have gotten forms kicked back for answers like "for the coming zombie apocalypse." Keep it short and simple. Aaron __________________ www.kentuckyguntrustlawyer.com

January 28, 2013, 11:51 AM	#9
tepin Member Join Date: June 21, 2006 Location: MN Posts: 379	"Any lawful purpose" __________________ "Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife." by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in Brown v. United States, 256 U.S. 335, 343 (16 May 1921).

January 27, 2013, 10:28 PM	#2
Njal Thorgeirsson Member Join Date: February 14, 2011 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 110	"To enhance historically-relevant firearms collection and to use for any lawful recreational purposes"? That's probably about what I would write.

January 28, 2013, 01:55 AM	#5
medalguy Member Join Date: March 20, 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,001	All lawful purposes is what I use too. So far it's worked.

January 28, 2013, 06:57 AM	#6
dprice3844444 Member Join Date: February 26, 2011 Location: se fla i love claymores Posts: 2,783	colllector of military type weapons

January 28, 2013, 07:58 AM	#8
Well Now Member Join Date: January 19, 2012 Location: The other side of the tracks Posts: 87	All lawful purposes.

January 28, 2013, 12:06 PM	#10
CoRoMo Member Join Date: September 21, 2007 Location: Colorafornia Posts: 8,468	"A boon for my YouTube channel" __________________ The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit, period! Ted Nugent

January 28, 2013, 12:14 PM	#11
Bubbles Member Join Date: April 26, 2004 Location: Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia Posts: 2,911	"All lawful purposes" works and is safe. I know a few who got "Zombies" approved before ATF started kicking them back. __________________ EFI, LLC - 07 FFL / C2 SOT in Inwood, WV - Custom Firearms & Gunsmithing Tank Vest - Molle Vest for Your Motorcycle Gas Tank

January 28, 2013, 12:32 PM	#12
CoRoMo Member Join Date: September 21, 2007 Location: Colorafornia Posts: 8,468	"An insatiable longing to be cool" __________________ The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit, period! Ted Nugent

January 28, 2013, 12:38 PM	#13
dbb1776 Member Join Date: January 19, 2010 Location: tx Posts: 216	Tacticool Ninja School

January 28, 2013, 12:41 PM	#14
dbb1776 Member Join Date: January 19, 2010 Location: tx Posts: 216	Just googled Mk18. Looks like much fun post pics

January 28, 2013, 04:02 PM	#15
CoRoMo Member Join Date: September 21, 2007 Location: Colorafornia Posts: 8,468	"So that she'll finally notice me" __________________ The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit, period! Ted Nugent

January 29, 2013, 10:34 AM	#16
forindooruseonly Member Join Date: October 3, 2009 Posts: 938	When my dad started buying full-autos in the early 80s, he jokingly put down "investment" and then felt silly for sending it in that way... ridiculous how true that became because of the Hughes amendment. I've put several things - "shooting/collecting", "all lawful purposes" or "investment" as well. From my understanding, as long as it's legal and not too much tongue-in-cheek, it doesn't matter much.

January 29, 2013, 12:14 PM	#17
Carl N. Brown Member Join Date: May 10, 2005 Location: Kingsport Tennessee Posts: 5,874	State of Tennessee accepts NFA firearms as long as they are properly registered on the NFA registry and all federal laws have been complied with. State of Tennessee also recognizes one of the legal reasons to own a gun as "curio or ornament". I wonder if "curio or ornament"--making a replica of collectible curiosity firearm, say a De Lisle carbine--would be a reason acceptable to the ATF on a Form 1? __________________ Cogito me cogitare; ergo, cogito me esse.

February 14, 2013, 09:52 AM	#18
Elkins45 Member Join Date: December 25, 2009 Location: Northern KY Posts: 923	In the case of manufacturing your own silencer a very truthful answer would be "significant cost reduction when compared to commercially sold units". I wonder if that would pass muster? __________________ NRA Endowment Member I don't own an assault weapon. I own a counter-assault weapon.

February 21, 2013, 06:17 PM	#19
GoingQuiet Member Join Date: June 10, 2010 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 375	Zombie Defense Keeping the King of England out of house Chicks Dig Guns __________________ GoingQuiet.com, 07/02 FFL Sig Sauer Stocking Dealer Silencerco Stocking Distributor sales@goingquiet.com 321-917-0760

February 21, 2013, 06:21 PM	#20
newfalguy101 Member Join Date: August 13, 2005 Location: Clay Center, Nebraska Posts: 722	"Because I can" Course I have never filled out a form 1 or built my own gun..... __________________ Trust in the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul..........BUT, Front site, PRESS, repeat as needed

February 21, 2013, 07:34 PM	#21
Charles S Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: North East Texas Posts: 924	"contract employment" I figured that would not work for a can! Charles __________________ "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

February 22, 2013, 08:48 AM	#22
Prince Yamato Member Join Date: August 16, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,176	"All lawful purposes". It covers you at the range and it will cover you if you use the gun in self-defense.

February 22, 2013, 10:18 AM	#23
AlexanderA Member Join Date: February 27, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,508	Don't try to get cute with the reason (such as by mentioning "zombies"). The ATF examiners don't have a sense of humor. Just stick with "all lawful purposes."

February 22, 2013, 04:45 PM	#24
Ranb Member Join Date: December 15, 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 820	Enhance firearm collection always works for me, 15 and counting. Ranb

February 22, 2013, 05:14 PM	#25
Telekinesis Member Join Date: January 23, 2011 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 873	" 'cause I already dun it" is always a classic Any Lawful Purpose is what I put on my SBR's form 1. __________________ -TK, ΛΧΑ ΘΑ 1071 "It is the primary right of men to die and kill for the land they live in, and to punish with exceptional severity all members of their own race who have warmed their hands at the invader's hearth" - Winston Churchill