Les Tam Sling, what's best Riveted or Sewn Keepers

Rockrivr1 · December 27, 2002, 05:32 PM

I received an email from Les to call him to get my specifics on the sling. He gave me the options available and I'd like to know what you all think is the best option, Riveted or Sewn keepers?

He also asked, "Be ready to tell me if you want the upper sling keeper (loop) to be made to fit either 2 or 3 layers of leather." I'm not exactly sure what the differences are here. Any advise?

Thanks,
Troy

Steve Smith · December 28, 2002, 01:15 AM

Sure!

On keeper fasteners. Riveted is stronger and won't rot either. The rules used to allow only sewn, but now riveted is ok.

On size of keepers. If you plan to use the Jim Owens style of rigging a sling, you need them to accomodate two thicknesses. I believe that the cuff style needs three thicknesses (ask Les). Most leather sling users shout start out with the Jim Owens style, and then decide if they should start rigging a cuff sling. The larger keepers will only cost a few bucks if you wish to change. when the sling comes, I can help you rig it.

Rockrivr1 · December 29, 2002, 10:10 AM

Steve,

Thanks for the great advice and the offer to help me set up the sling once it arrives. I appreciate it.

I'll be calling Les on Monday to give him my specifics.

Troy

K38 · July 20, 2005, 02:00 PM

Les is a Prince in my book. He will include both sorts of keepers for very little extra. He intervude me on the 'phone for 20 min. so that my AR 15 sling would fit me. He uses original sling hardware from old GI slings. As a big guy I don't think I could have gotten a sling to fit anywhere else. As far as I know his sling is considered the very best service rifle sling anywhere.

Cheers

Dwight

30Cal · July 20, 2005, 02:15 PM

I would go with the keepers for 2 layers. The USMC way (Jim Owens), really is the way to go.

Ty

Rockrivr1 · July 20, 2005, 03:20 PM

WOW, how did you find this post from 2002. lol Actually I went with the riveted and I've used the sling several times in Highpower matches. It works great!

30Cal · July 20, 2005, 03:39 PM

Hahaha, I didn't even noticed that someone had dusted this one off!
LOL

Ty

December 27, 2002, 05:32 PM	#1
Rockrivr1 Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,093	Les Tam Sling, what's best Riveted or Sewn Keepers I received an email from Les to call him to get my specifics on the sling. He gave me the options available and I'd like to know what you all think is the best option, Riveted or Sewn keepers? He also asked, "Be ready to tell me if you want the upper sling keeper (loop) to be made to fit either 2 or 3 layers of leather." I'm not exactly sure what the differences are here. Any advise? Thanks, Troy

December 28, 2002, 01:15 AM	#2
Steve Smith Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 21, 2002 Location: Southeastern US Posts: 4,402	Sure! On keeper fasteners. Riveted is stronger and won't rot either. The rules used to allow only sewn, but now riveted is ok. On size of keepers. If you plan to use the Jim Owens style of rigging a sling, you need them to accomodate two thicknesses. I believe that the cuff style needs three thicknesses (ask Les). Most leather sling users shout start out with the Jim Owens style, and then decide if they should start rigging a cuff sling. The larger keepers will only cost a few bucks if you wish to change. when the sling comes, I can help you rig it. __________________ I'm strapped like a car seat. TFL Alumnus, THR Plankowner, NRA Life Member

July 20, 2005, 02:00 PM	#4
K38 Member Join Date: May 11, 2005 Posts: 1	Les Tam Les is a Prince in my book. He will include both sorts of keepers for very little extra. He intervude me on the 'phone for 20 min. so that my AR 15 sling would fit me. He uses original sling hardware from old GI slings. As a big guy I don't think I could have gotten a sling to fit anywhere else. As far as I know his sling is considered the very best service rifle sling anywhere. Cheers Dwight

July 20, 2005, 03:20 PM	#6
Rockrivr1 Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,093	WOW, how did you find this post from 2002. lol Actually I went with the riveted and I've used the sling several times in Highpower matches. It works great! __________________ Free people will never remain free if they are not willing to fight, if need be, to protect their freedom! My thoughts, heart and thanks go out to all those currently serving to defend this great nation and our freedom.

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December 29, 2002, 10:10 AM	#3
Rockrivr1 Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,093	Steve, Thanks for the great advice and the offer to help me set up the sling once it arrives. I appreciate it. I'll be calling Les on Monday to give him my specifics. Troy

July 20, 2005, 02:15 PM	#5
30Cal Member Join Date: February 11, 2004 Location: Bay Area, Kali Posts: 1,977	I would go with the keepers for 2 layers. The USMC way (Jim Owens), really is the way to go. Ty

July 20, 2005, 03:39 PM	#7
30Cal Member Join Date: February 11, 2004 Location: Bay Area, Kali Posts: 1,977	Hahaha, I didn't even noticed that someone had dusted this one off! LOL Ty

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