A (very) small victory for NY

jamesbeat · March 21, 2013, 10:09 AM

King Cuomo has acknowledged that at least part of his new 'SAFE act' is ill conceived and unworkable.
He's realized that placing a restriction on magazines capable of holding more than seven rounds will jeopardize his new law, so he's made a concession; we can continue to buy ten-rounders but only load seven (except at a range and possibly in the home).

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/ny...ion.html?_r=1&

Thanks Andy, but no dice.

See you in court.

bds · March 21, 2013, 10:14 AM

Ha!

Let the back-paddling begin!

People of NY, keep up the pressure and keep up the great work!

All politicians fear being voted out of office ...

Prince Yamato · March 21, 2013, 11:29 AM

He's not worried about being votes out of office. He won't be in NY. Cuomo has designs on the presidency. He realized that he is totally ignorant of firearms in general. He came up with the number 7 at random. Now he back pedals... Can't look ignorant in the 2016 primaries.

hillbilly · March 21, 2013, 11:38 AM

The number 7 was not chosen randomly.

It was specifically chosen to ban most modern handgun outright.

ThorinNNY · March 21, 2013, 11:44 AM

Cuomo threw hunters a bone -a discount of from one to ten dollars on hunting licensess.
The people said "Andrew that`s not gonna cut it with us. SCRAP YOUR STUPID SAFE ACT.
Andrew thinks I better throw them another bone - let them have their g-d ten cartridges in the magazines & they`ll leave me alone. The people say" Andrew, that`s not gonna cut it either, SCRAP YOUR STUPID SAFE ACT NOW!"
I for one, am no longer content to just REPEAL the UN SAFE ACT, CUOMO MUST GO! I would prefer that Andrew be exiled from the USA but I`ll settle for driving him out of office!
There`s going to be another PRO 2A rally in Syracuse on Saturday, March 23 and another Pro 2A Rally in Gouverneur, NY. I hope we can keep holding rallies until they finally Repeal the (UN) SAFE ACT!

SleazyRider · March 21, 2013, 11:44 AM

Yes, I noticed this in a very small article that appeared on page 14 in The Times Herald Record, a left-leaning Hudson Valley rag that supports Cuomo unequivocally. Even as I type this, Bloomberg is on CNN singing songs of praise for Cuomo and his henchmen. You'd think he'd tone down his rhetoric a bit after his failed soda ban decree.

Solo · March 21, 2013, 11:56 AM

NY crimal law is operating on the honor system. What a novel idea!

Prophet · March 21, 2013, 12:00 PM

I'm happy to see you and other NY'ers punching back twice as hard. Keep hammering him.

MachIVshooter · March 21, 2013, 12:00 PM

Maybe the democrats here will follow his lead!

"You can have standard capacity mags, but don't you dare load more than 15!"

Haha.

Nah, we're gonna kill the mag ban here. It's actually worse than the one in NY from a technical standpoint, as a zealous DA really could charge a person under the law for owning just about any magazine with a removeable floorplate. Of course, the sheriffs are almost all unwilling to enforce this crap, so the DAs will never have that chance.

ATBackPackin · March 21, 2013, 12:01 PM

This is simply them trying to avoid problems in the inevitable court case. Disgusting!

jamesbeat · March 21, 2013, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyRider

You'd think he'd tone down his rhetoric a bit after his failed soda ban decree.

You'd think, wouldn't you.
Instead, he's going after smoking; he wants to make retailers hide cigarettes from view.

Mike and Andy hate America, they should move to the UK.

railroadman · March 21, 2013, 12:19 PM

I have said this many times,but one more time.I lived in the upstate NEW York for many years.Navy Gunners Mate,law correction deputy,security and 20 years before i retired from the railroad.I live in Florida sence 2006.I WOULD NOT STAY IN NY FOR FREE RENT.Go to a Gun show in Florida then do one at NY State I rest my case.

mbopp · March 21, 2013, 12:32 PM

I think Cuomo realized he'd lose on 7-round mags in court on the "common use" clause.
So what's to stop them from eventually saying you can have a 10-round mag but can only have 1 round in it?
Almost all of the upstate counties in NY have passed resolutions against the SAFE act.
And I see the latest NY budget proposal has a $350 tax refund for families with children. This is a blatant attempt by the Democrats to buy votes while adding to the NY deficit.

I can't wait to retire and get out of this state.

12131 · March 21, 2013, 01:07 PM

Nothing short of a total repeal of that piece of garbage that they call law can be considered a victory.
Losing a little less is not a victory, no matter how "small" it is.

jamesbeat · March 21, 2013, 01:19 PM

I think that it will be repealed.
We had a crappy set of restrictionas anyway, but Cuomo has really p****d people off this time.
If it goes to scotus, we may end up with fewer restrictions than we had in the first place.

This backpedaling move may well be a sign that Cuomo is beginning to realise that he has bitten off more than he can chew.

SilentStalker · March 21, 2013, 01:42 PM

We need to get these idiots out of office. All these stupid bills are doing is costing a heck of a lot of money...on both sides of the fence for absolutely nothing.

jp9mm · March 21, 2013, 01:44 PM

What about what they did to private sales ?
No longer can be conducted without FFL.

They state in the law that it will no more than $10 to do the check.
Called 2 places and was told $50 at one & $30 at another.

jamesbeat · March 21, 2013, 02:07 PM

They're not allowed to charge more than $10.
This is not an attempt to make it fair, it is an attempt to ensure that FFL's will decide it's not worth the time and effort.
They don't want private sales at all.

The whole aim is to ostracize gun owners and create obstacles to legal gun ownership.

cfullgraf · March 21, 2013, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentStalker

We need to get these idiots out of office. All these stupid bills are doing is costing a heck of a lot of money...on both sides of the fence for absolutely nothing.

Well, it keeps the elected officials, government staffers, lawyers, judges, and court personnel employed and highly paid while the state and local budgets go bust.

HeathH · March 21, 2013, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThorinNNY

Cuomo threw hunters a bone -a discount of from one to ten dollars on hunting licensess.
The people said "Andrew that`s not gonna cut it with us. SCRAP YOUR STUPID SAFE ACT.
Andrew thinks I better throw them another bone - let them have their g-d ten cartridges in the magazines & they`ll leave me alone. The people say" Andrew, that`s not gonna cut it either, SCRAP YOUR STUPID SAFE ACT NOW!"
I for one, am no longer content to just REPEAL the UN SAFE ACT, CUOMO MUST GO! I would prefer that Andrew be exiled from the USA but I`ll settle for driving him out of office!
There`s going to be another PRO 2A rally in Syracuse on Saturday, March 23 and another Pro 2A Rally in Gouverneur, NY. I hope we can keep holding rallies until they finally Repeal the (UN) SAFE ACT!

Go hard my friend...we need these tyrants to see the repercussions of their actions.

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steelerdude99 · March 21, 2013, 07:05 PM

They put this whole bill together in about a month without properly thinking it through. Now they are wondering why there are troubles. Go figure.

bigdipper · March 21, 2013, 07:12 PM

This is absurd and proof that the fight really isn't about guns its about control. How are you suppose to stop people from loading 10 rounds in a 10 round mag?? its such an easy law to break what is there to stop a criminal from doing it before they go and commit a crime? The whole thing is infuriating.

tyeo098 · March 21, 2013, 07:34 PM

NO

He wants to bring the law back to the chopping block so he can add the LEO exception!!
DONT LET HIM DO IT. HE MADE HIS BED.

Eyesac · March 21, 2013, 08:01 PM

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...would continue to allow the sale of magazines holding up to 10 rounds, but still forbid New Yorkers from loading more than 7 rounds into those magazines...

Ha! hahaha! Wow, that really... wow. I can just imagine the next mentally ill mass shooter only loading up 7rds each into 10rd magazines.

toivo · March 21, 2013, 09:39 PM

Quote:

I think Cuomo realized he'd lose on 7-round mags in court on the "common use" clause.

Bingo. His lawyers told him that the courts would recognize a de facto ban when they saw one.

March 21, 2013, 10:09 AM	#1
jamesbeat Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Posts: 606	A (very) small victory for NY King Cuomo has acknowledged that at least part of his new 'SAFE act' is ill conceived and unworkable. He's realized that placing a restriction on magazines capable of holding more than seven rounds will jeopardize his new law, so he's made a concession; we can continue to buy ten-rounders but only load seven (except at a range and possibly in the home). http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/ny...ion.html?_r=1& Thanks Andy, but no dice. See you in court.

March 21, 2013, 11:44 AM	#5
ThorinNNY Member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Location: 3 hours North of Syracuse, 2 hours west of Lake Champlain Posts: 463	Cuomo threw hunters a bone -a discount of from one to ten dollars on hunting licensess. The people said "Andrew that`s not gonna cut it with us. SCRAP YOUR STUPID SAFE ACT. Andrew thinks I better throw them another bone - let them have their g-d ten cartridges in the magazines & they`ll leave me alone. The people say" Andrew, that`s not gonna cut it either, SCRAP YOUR STUPID SAFE ACT NOW!" I for one, am no longer content to just REPEAL the UN SAFE ACT, CUOMO MUST GO! I would prefer that Andrew be exiled from the USA but I`ll settle for driving him out of office! There`s going to be another PRO 2A rally in Syracuse on Saturday, March 23 and another Pro 2A Rally in Gouverneur, NY. I hope we can keep holding rallies until they finally Repeal the (UN) SAFE ACT! __________________ There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.-Daniel Webster

March 21, 2013, 11:44 AM	#6
SleazyRider Member Join Date: February 25, 2008 Location: New York Posts: 1,245	Yes, I noticed this in a very small article that appeared on page 14 in The Times Herald Record, a left-leaning Hudson Valley rag that supports Cuomo unequivocally. Even as I type this, Bloomberg is on CNN singing songs of praise for Cuomo and his henchmen. You'd think he'd tone down his rhetoric a bit after his failed soda ban decree. __________________ "Learn a few chords on the banjo. It's the key to life." ---Vince Gill

March 21, 2013, 11:56 AM	#7
Solo Member Join Date: September 15, 2004 Posts: 781	NY crimal law is operating on the honor system. What a novel idea! __________________ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.

March 21, 2013, 12:00 PM	#8
Prophet Member Join Date: April 7, 2008 Location: Bitter Clinger from PA Posts: 391	I'm happy to see you and other NY'ers punching back twice as hard. Keep hammering him. __________________ "The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." -Jefferson

March 21, 2013, 10:14 AM	#2
bds Member Join Date: January 10, 2010 Posts: 7,396	Ha! Let the back-paddling begin! People of NY, keep up the pressure and keep up the great work! All politicians fear being voted out of office ...

March 21, 2013, 11:29 AM	#3
Prince Yamato Member Join Date: August 16, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,179	He's not worried about being votes out of office. He won't be in NY. Cuomo has designs on the presidency. He realized that he is totally ignorant of firearms in general. He came up with the number 7 at random. Now he back pedals... Can't look ignorant in the 2016 primaries.

March 21, 2013, 11:38 AM	#4
hillbilly Member Join Date: July 10, 2003 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,140	The number 7 was not chosen randomly. It was specifically chosen to ban most modern handgun outright.

March 21, 2013, 12:00 PM	#9
MachIVshooter Member Join Date: August 11, 2005 Location: Elbert County, CO Posts: 10,528	Maybe the democrats here will follow his lead! "You can have standard capacity mags, but don't you dare load more than 15!" Haha. Nah, we're gonna kill the mag ban here. It's actually worse than the one in NY from a technical standpoint, as a zealous DA really could charge a person under the law for owning just about any magazine with a removeable floorplate. Of course, the sheriffs are almost all unwilling to enforce this crap, so the DAs will never have that chance. __________________ "Life is harder when you're stupid. Sometimes, it's also quite a bit shorter."-1911Tuner

March 21, 2013, 12:01 PM	#10
ATBackPackin Member Join Date: December 10, 2009 Location: Valley Forge, PA. Posts: 1,125	This is simply them trying to avoid problems in the inevitable court case. Disgusting! __________________ *Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing it's value. Thomas Paine*

March 21, 2013, 12:19 PM	#12
railroadman Member Join Date: September 15, 2012 Posts: 35	I have said this many times,but one more time.I lived in the upstate NEW York for many years.Navy Gunners Mate,law correction deputy,security and 20 years before i retired from the railroad.I live in Florida sence 2006.I WOULD NOT STAY IN NY FOR FREE RENT.Go to a Gun show in Florida then do one at NY State I rest my case.

March 21, 2013, 12:32 PM	#13
mbopp Member Join Date: August 10, 2009 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 760	I think Cuomo realized he'd lose on 7-round mags in court on the "common use" clause. So what's to stop them from eventually saying you can have a 10-round mag but can only have 1 round in it? Almost all of the upstate counties in NY have passed resolutions against the SAFE act. And I see the latest NY budget proposal has a $350 tax refund for families with children. This is a blatant attempt by the Democrats to buy votes while adding to the NY deficit. I can't wait to retire and get out of this state. __________________ ”No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” ~Thomas Jefferson

March 21, 2013, 01:07 PM	#14
12131 Member Join Date: December 22, 2007 Location: God's Country (TEXAS) Posts: 1,353	Nothing short of a total repeal of that piece of garbage that they call law can be considered a victory. Losing a little less is not a victory, no matter how "small" it is. __________________ NRA Lifer, GOA Lifer, SAF Lifer

March 21, 2013, 01:19 PM	#15
jamesbeat Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Posts: 606	I think that it will be repealed. We had a crappy set of restrictionas anyway, but Cuomo has really p****d people off this time. If it goes to scotus, we may end up with fewer restrictions than we had in the first place. This backpedaling move may well be a sign that Cuomo is beginning to realise that he has bitten off more than he can chew.

March 21, 2013, 01:42 PM	#16
SilentStalker Member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Somewhere in the U.S., London, or Australia Posts: 862	We need to get these idiots out of office. All these stupid bills are doing is costing a heck of a lot of money...on both sides of the fence for absolutely nothing.

March 21, 2013, 01:44 PM	#17
jp9mm Member Join Date: December 10, 2011 Posts: 119	What about what they did to private sales ? No longer can be conducted without FFL. They state in the law that it will no more than $10 to do the check. Called 2 places and was told $50 at one & $30 at another.

March 21, 2013, 02:07 PM	#18
jamesbeat Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Posts: 606	They're not allowed to charge more than $10. This is not an attempt to make it fair, it is an attempt to ensure that FFL's will decide it's not worth the time and effort. They don't want private sales at all. The whole aim is to ostracize gun owners and create obstacles to legal gun ownership.

March 21, 2013, 07:05 PM	#21
steelerdude99 Member Join Date: December 28, 2010 Location: Stafford County, VA Posts: 215	They put this whole bill together in about a month without properly thinking it through. Now they are wondering why there are troubles. Go figure.

March 21, 2013, 07:12 PM	#22
bigdipper Member Join Date: June 25, 2012 Location: Vermont Posts: 65	This is absurd and proof that the fight really isn't about guns its about control. How are you suppose to stop people from loading 10 rounds in a 10 round mag?? its such an easy law to break what is there to stop a criminal from doing it before they go and commit a crime? The whole thing is infuriating. __________________ You don't like guns thats fine with me, just don't even think about taking mine.