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Old November 6, 2014, 03:50 AM   #1
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"Official" i594 Rally Thread - December 13, 2014

This was brought up in another thread, but I didn't want to derail it.

There will be a "Will not comply" rally held in Olympia at the Capitol on December 13th. It is being organized by Gavin Seim, and its the best thing we have going so in terms of showing resistance to i594.

The event is scheduled to start at 11am, attendees are encouraged to open carry. The facebook page for the event is here.

So far, there are over 3,300 people saying they will go. Based on prior experience, we can expect about half to show up.

The organizers list the following things they are in need of:
Covered awnings.
Tables.
Propane Warming fires.

If you want to contribute some gear, be sure to contact them!

Bring your friends, and tell them to bring their friends.
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Old November 6, 2014, 05:57 AM   #2
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I'm not trying to be a buzz kill, but I'm a bit confused. Help me understand why/how a "We will be breaking this law" rally is going to benefit anyone.

If all it takes to get laws repealed is for the public to refuse to comply, murder would be legal already. It may have worked for repealing the alcohol prohibition, but that seems to have been an isolated incident.
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Old November 6, 2014, 03:07 PM   #3
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My understanding is that this rally is intended to show that we will not comply with unconstitutional laws. It shows that we have a backbone and are willing to stand up for what we know is right, regardless of what the "majority"/millionares determine.
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Old November 7, 2014, 01:57 PM   #4
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Old November 7, 2014, 02:33 PM   #5
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Thanks for info.

Remembered the date, couldn't remember the details.

Note: 594 will be IN EFFECT when this rally takes place.
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Old November 7, 2014, 03:56 PM   #6
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So "MyGreenGuns stated
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Note: 594 will be IN EFFECT when this rally takes place.
No, no it will not be in effect. The state legislature still has to meet, review and add this measure into the RCW. That's not going to happen until next year.
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Old November 7, 2014, 04:04 PM   #7
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No, no it will not be in effect. The state legislature still has to meet, review and add this measure into the RCW. That's not going to happen until next year.
OK. I was just going off my voter pamphlet.
It says, "The effective date of the initiative is December 4, 2014."

EDIT: It does say this under "General Assumptions" so I probably shouldn't "assume" they will have it done by then.
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Old November 7, 2014, 06:52 PM   #8
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What do you mean by this?
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Old November 8, 2014, 02:01 AM   #9
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I mean there was a rally in Westlake park before the initiative passed. That was the time to get a wave of people involved. I tried my best, on this board and elsewhere. Maybe a hundred people showed up.

Any sort of after-the-fact bravado is pointless, in my opinion.

And, also my opinion, any flaunting of the law will not play well with the masses.
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Old November 8, 2014, 04:54 PM   #10
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The #1 thing that has me worried is how 594 actually REDEFINES what a gun is. Here's the quote straight from the bill.

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"(9) "Firearm"
means a weapon or device from which a projectile or
projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
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"Gun" has the same meaning as firearm."
That wordage means that most fireworks, nail guns, etc will be considered a firearm too. Cant imagine Home Depot doing 4473's for nailguns....
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Old November 8, 2014, 09:00 PM   #11
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I didn't even know there was a rally against 594 before voting day. In my opinion, late is better than never. We may as well band together and show that we won't let them quietly take our rights away.
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Old November 9, 2014, 01:45 AM   #12
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The #1 thing that has me worried is how 594 actually REDEFINES what a gun is. Here's the quote straight from the bill.
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"(9) "Firearm"
means a weapon or device from which a projectile or
projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
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"Gun" has the same meaning as firearm."
That wordage means that most fireworks, nail guns, etc will be considered a firearm too.
Every nailgun I've seen was powered by compressed air, just like BB and pellet guns. They aren't firearms under 594.

That said, the topic of your post is on point: 594 is poorly written garbage.
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Old November 9, 2014, 03:50 AM   #13
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Every nailgun I've seen was powered by compressed air, just like BB and pellet guns. They aren't firearms under 594.
I'm referring to all the ones that use .22 blanks. Like these: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-Ha...0022/100091715

They will be firearms under I594. Actually, a combustion engine is a firearm under the same conditions. You *can put a projectile in the exhaust pipe and now your car is a "firearm". An engine is a device from which a projectile can be fired using an explosive. Yes, its going to get ripped to pieces in court.

I for one will call the sheriffs dept on DEC 4th and report that firearms are being sold illegally at Home Depot and every other hardware/tool store in the state. If enough attention is brought to the forefront of just how stupid this law is (and not just to the gun community but even to the people who voted for it), then maybe the word will spread and changes will be made.

As it is written now, if a contractor lets an employee use his Ramset or similar tool on a jobsite, he will be committing a crime.

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Old November 9, 2014, 04:20 AM   #14
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Oh gotcha, the tool for driving nails into concrete (never knew what they were called lol). Good call; I believe you're absolutely right.

I'm not sure how I feel about calling the cops to hardware stores for that. I mean, you're right in that these are technically violations of the law. It's a shame that it's come to this, but you may be right about this being a means to getting 594 into court. My fear is that they won't repeal the law, but rewrite the parts that are idiotic (like the definition of firearm you pointed out).
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Old November 9, 2014, 12:11 PM   #15
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Official text of event

News release: 11/07/14. Washington State.

TO: All media organizations and groups.
FROM: Gavin Seim, lead organizer of the “I WILL NOT Comply Rally”.

Initiative 594 just passed in Washington State, bringing on residents mandatory gun background checks and making it a felony to privately purchase or even hand a gun to a friend without government permission. We the people of Washington State will not comply with this lawless legislation. The highest law is that of liberty and our Constitution. Our rights will be upheld.

On Dec 13th 2014, just after the law is legally in effect, we stand and disobey the illegal restrictions of i594. We must not wait for our rights to be decided but act swiftly to affirm them. In under 72 hours over 5000 have RSVP’d to this stand on Capital grounds in Olympia and assert their God given rights.

Learn more about this peaceful civil rebellion here: http://callmegav.com/ral/

View the event page here: https://www.facebook.com/events/788109621237033


Joining in the event will be speakers, patriots and families from across the State to remind our legislators that lawless legislation will not be obeyed and to teach others about their rights.
Will you bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, or will you stand for the liberty of your children? We are not asking permission, we are not standing silent. Our birthright is not theirs to take. We stand peaceful, principled, firm and resolute for the liberty so many have perished for. We stand to uphold law and we will not comply with lawlessness from government.

We Stand! Stand with us.

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Old November 9, 2014, 08:09 PM   #16
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I'll be there with a car load of gun rights supporters
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Old November 9, 2014, 11:56 PM   #17
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What is the current legal action ?

Does anyone know who is bringing this before a court > There are several holes that would bring it into a court (vagueness of definition of a firearm, what a transfer is, etc.)

I head a lot about how there would be a legal battle but have seen nothing in terms of action being taken
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Old November 10, 2014, 04:42 AM   #18
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"The event is scheduled to start at 11am, attendees are encouraged to open carry."

Why so? In my opinion this would likely do more harm than good to the opinion of the 'neutral' observer we are trying to convince. What message is open carrying at the rally going to convey?
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Old November 10, 2014, 06:56 AM   #19
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I wish they would organize a rally on my side of the state. You wanna see a large block of extremely pissed voters come across the cascades. May be time to re-visit that east washington secession movement after a 20 year hiatus.
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Old November 11, 2014, 12:25 AM   #20
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Bobson - there are also nailguns that use a battery and a butane cartridge so they don't have hoses dragging all over the place.

I believe they are called "Paslode" but I'm unsure of the spelling.

Because they use a fuel/air mix that is "detonated" and aren't tied to another machine, these will probably qualify as a "gun" too.
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Because they use a fuel/air mix that is "detonated" and aren't tied to another machine, these will probably qualify as a "gun" too.
As will many fireworks, model rockets, engines, the list goes on. Even your arse hole is considered a "firearm" under this Initiative. Its a device that *can fire a projectile with an explosive (methane). Yes, now we in WA can truly say our arsehole is a lethal weapon..... The wording in this bill literally makes EVERYONE in WA a criminal.
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Old November 11, 2014, 07:58 AM   #22
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It is inadvisable to OC, but open holsters displayed provide a clear identifier for the opinion.

Also, well made signs (especially pointing out the criminalization of the safety practice of handing off a firearm while crossing a fence or teaching someone to shoot) can illustrate the wrong headedness of the law.

For those in Washington state participating I recommend contacting the Second Amendment Foundation for advice and support.
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Old November 11, 2014, 09:11 AM   #23
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Also, well made signs (especially pointing out the criminalization of the safety practice of handing off a firearm while crossing a fence or teaching someone to shoot) can illustrate the wrong headedness of the law.
I believe one of the transfer exceptions applies to individuals lawfully engaged in hunting which I imagine is the scenario most likely to involve crossing fences.
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amen to that .what will this accomplish?
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It will accomplish making it clear that we WILL NOT COMPLY.
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