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Old March 11, 2015, 12:02 PM   #1
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Most Concealed Carry License??

I ran across this article on what every state is best at. Interestingly Alabama is listed as Most concealed carry licenses. I have no idea how true this is or if's its total number of license or per capita?

https://www.yahoo.com/travel/what-ev...ail&soc_trk=ma
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Old March 11, 2015, 12:33 PM   #2
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Next time click on the link.

"Alabama has the highest rate of conceal-carry permits in the country, but the research is mixed about whether that makes residents safer."
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Old March 11, 2015, 01:01 PM   #3
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GOLLY, you'd think the streets run red with blood. I also wonder why we didn't get the trophies for obesity, limbless family tree, and college football national championships. After all most of the media types have an agenda.
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Old March 11, 2015, 01:11 PM   #4
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Florida seems to have the most licenses issued, at 1.3 million.
Not all are state residents, though, since out of staters can get them, too.
It's undeniable that the legal carrying of firearms has made the state a safer place to live.
Since its inception, there hasn't been even a single sighting of Che Guevara.
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Old March 11, 2015, 01:39 PM   #5
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I believe I read recently that South Dakota has the most licenses per 100,000 population.Will try to find that link.
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Old March 11, 2015, 02:02 PM   #6
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This Crime Research Center, headed by John Lott, shows South Dakota to be #1 in percentage of permits per population. Indiana is 2nd, Alabama is 3rd, all over 10%.

This report is as of July, 2014.

See page #12 of the PDF for the percentage per population of all 50 states.
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Old March 11, 2015, 02:21 PM   #7
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The last time Alabama was updated was in 2012. Not to argue because the obvious intentions of the GOOBET (Jennifer Bui) was to indicate that the influence of CCP didn't decrease crime rates.

My argument is- you need a CCW more if you live in a high crime area. More Piers Morgan type garbage. If there was no crime a weapon would be unnecessary. Also notice, on the chart(follow the link) of Alabama counties that have high crime rate, it doesn't declare what type of crime. So, from that I would gather, it's not gun crime. I presently live in one of the "high crime'' counties on the chart. Mostly what I see is theft....lots of theft. Most of the theft is spurred by the the need of drugs or drug money.
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Old March 11, 2015, 07:02 PM   #8
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Old March 12, 2015, 06:01 PM   #9
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How would the Czech Republic with 2.3% rank among the US states?
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Old March 13, 2015, 05:48 AM   #10
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Just about like New Mexico, at 2.38%. Next to last in terms of percentages as of the data dates.

Nebraska is last, at 2.17%

See page 12 at:
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...ted-States.pdf

(As posted above.)

Bear in mind that there is an effect on percentages and total numbers due to how recently "shall issue" laws have been passed in a particular State.

Also, how much "need" there is in a particular State. Out in the boonies, there isn't much need for concealed carry.

You might want to review this video as well, which contains interesting statistics on guns v. crime across many nations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

Much of the data in that video can also be sourced in "Hands off my gun --defeating the plot to disarm America" by Dana Loesch, Chapter Nine p. 182ff, "Violent Europeans" and its footnotes.

See:
http://www.amazon.com/Hands-Off-My-G.../dp/1455584347

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REFs ("Boonies" and States for our foreign readers):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boondocks
States in the US:
http://www.statemapsonline.com/image...-State-Map.jpg
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Old March 13, 2015, 01:33 PM   #11
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Also, how much "need" there is in a particular State. Out in the boonies, there isn't much need for concealed carry.
I understand that. It is the same here. Really low crime rates. But when low-lives move to a small town, the number of CC licenses spike up locally.

If this is correct http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-by-state.html

then our murder rate is half of the lowest US state murder rate, i.e. Idaho/Utah's 1.8 per 100.000.

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Old March 14, 2015, 11:05 AM   #12
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The number of CCW permits issued in Wyoming went down when the state made it legal for residents to carry without needing a license. Kind of hard to boast about most licenses per capita when we don't need one.
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Old March 15, 2015, 02:41 PM   #13
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I was going to say Vermont given that every (non prohibited person) resident of the state is by default "licensed" to carry a concealed weapon
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Old March 17, 2015, 11:25 AM   #14
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I think the primary realistic effect of a high percentage of citizens actually carrying (as opposed to just licensed) would be when criminals change their behavior out of concern that their crimes will be confronted by an armed adversary. Here in IL, where we have had concealed carry for just over one year, and where open carry is not legal, we have about 1% of the population that is licensed to carry concealed. Clearly we do not have enough carrying to make any dramatic change in criminal behavior, although I have not been reading about as many street robberies in downtown Chicago as I had been in the past (but now that the weather is warming up that might change).

I do think that when the perception is that many are armed, it tends to make people more polite and reduce the likelihood of emotional and irrational confrontations that might turn violent. Last summer while on a trip to Yellowstone National Park and environs, we stopped at a Starbucks for coffee. Waiting in line near me was an older gentleman with a huge handlebar mustache, and what appeared to be an M4 draped over his neck, as well as a large revolver holstered on his hip. At first I thought he might be an LEO but there was no visible badge or other indication that he was in law enforcement (such as handcuffs on his belt, etc.). What was most amusing was that no one reacted to this individual in any way. He ordered his coffee or whatever and then went on his way. I could only imagine the bedlam that would ensue if such an attired individual did this in a state like NJ or California or Maryland. The SWAT team would probably arrive within seconds, and citizens would be screaming and fleeing as fast as they could. But where this occurred (I can't now recall if it was in WY or in SD) it was accepted as normal, and my guess is that no thug would have dared try to commit a crime in the presence of this armed individual (plus however many, including myself, were carrying concealed).
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Old March 17, 2015, 07:29 PM   #15
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According to Red Wind's link

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...ted-States.pdf

Georgia is 3rd behind Florida and Texas with 600,000 permits issued but well ahead of Texas at #10 in percentage. A virtual tie with Florida at around 8% of the population with permits. Only about 3.6% of Texans have permits.

To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that GA would rank that high compared to Texas and be so close to FL. A good surprise!
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Old March 18, 2015, 12:48 AM   #16
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would rank that high compared to Texas
I think Vito's observation, above, applies. I'd be willing to wager that 80% of the CHL in Texas are concentrated in just 15-20 of Texas' 252 counties.

If a person lived in Crockett County, it has about the same land area as Delaware. It also has only one incorporated city, Ozona. About 3000 of the County's 4000 residents live in Ozona (the County Seat). Probably not a lot of CHLs issues there, even for being on the Border.

This would be unlike the counties in and around Houston, Austin, San Antonio, and the DFW area.
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Old March 18, 2015, 07:16 AM   #17
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I have cousins who live in the Dallas Suburbs who are very pro-gun and a niece living in Austin. My niece is pretty much neutral on guns. As far as I know she is not a gun owner, but came from a pretty conservative family here in GA. My cousins are TN transplants who grew up in a family that was very much gun oriented.

Texas is a big state and I realize this is a pretty small snapshot, but by reading posts here and on other forums it seems clear that TX has a rich history of firearms ownership. My niece described Austin as a blue dot in a red state so it is clearly an exception.

I was a bit surprised that GA had a higher percentage of permit holders though. One difference between GA and TX is that open carry is legal here. It is not something seen regularly, but maybe once a month or so I'll see someone armed in public. Personally I prefer concealed, but it does happen here.
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Old March 18, 2015, 07:29 AM   #18
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One could argue much of SD is "in the boonies" and yet we have the highest rate, per capita, of permittees. Too, open carry is legal and accepted, yet a great deal of our citizens possess permits.
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Old March 18, 2015, 10:27 AM   #19
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Nope...

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Originally Posted by REB
I ran across this article on what every state is best at. Interestingly Alabama is listed as Most concealed carry licenses.
Lots of states have more concealed carry licenses.

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...ted-States.pdf[
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Old March 23, 2015, 12:28 AM   #20
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Using the stats to prove more CHLs don't bring a decrease in crime? Weeeellll, how about turning that around and asking whether it increased crime?
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Old March 23, 2015, 01:56 AM   #21
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The companion map below the "best of" map shows what each state is worst at. I was surprised they listed Tennessee as the most dangerous. They say to keep your head on a swivel. I guess that means everyone either needs to be or is packing, permit or not.
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Old April 11, 2015, 09:38 PM   #24
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Sigh...

When I lived in Alabama, a concealed carry permit license was only $2.75.

Go to the Courthouse, get a the Sheriff to sign the form, walk down the hall and pay the court cashier, get the license...
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