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Old January 20, 2015, 11:20 PM   #1
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Another preventable death...

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/20/us...by10aStoryLink


It really un-nerves me that people think it's just perfectly ok to keep a loaded gun unlocked around little kids.
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Old January 20, 2015, 11:58 PM   #2
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mods please delete my post
I cannot participate constructively in this thread
thank you
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Old January 21, 2015, 12:17 AM   #3
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Huh?
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Old January 21, 2015, 12:35 AM   #4
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Why? Is responsible firearms ownership, and the real-world consequences of irresponsibility, no longer a topic of interest on this site? Sincere question.
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Old January 21, 2015, 12:45 AM   #5
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He edited his comments, then asked that a mod remove (delete) his post entirely - not that they delete the thread.
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Old January 21, 2015, 12:46 AM   #6
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I would think that people here, unlike the other side, would bow their heads in silence and respect to the tragically departed. Rather than roll your damnd eyes.
Maybe rather than make a snide comment, say something polite and push for education.
Do you know the circumstances?
Anything about the situation at hand other than a paragraph and a half?
Woman lost her child in the worst way.
The brother just committed an act that will stay and screw with him for a very long time to come.
Show some compassion rather than an eye roll with nothing of any value to say.
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Old January 21, 2015, 01:22 AM   #7
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I will say is this -

The home owner, or owner of the firearm, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

As a responsible gun owner, which I think most of us are, I can't sit back and abide these kinds of tragedy any longer. We have a constant battle to keep our 2nd amendment rights, and this kind of absolute negligence must stop.

I have two boys in my home - 7 and 15 years of age. ALL OF MY FIREARMS are either on me, in my sight or in one of my safes; this is the only way to be a responsible gun owner.

This tragedy should have never happened, but it did. Who is responsible......the owner of the firearm.

So many lives have been destroyed by this, and it makes me sad - but it could have been avoided. Period.
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Old January 21, 2015, 01:41 AM   #8
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Both my mother and my father have a relative who died at a very young age due to firearm mishandling.

Even besides having it locked up, you can get a trigger lock for like $5 at walmart.
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Old January 21, 2015, 03:24 AM   #9
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This is a terribly sad situation for the members of that family, especially the child that pulled the trigger.

Unless this firearms' owner left it unguarded with evil intent, this is a failure of the firearms' primary safety.

It could be a revolver or striker fired pistol, or have a cross-bolt safety, tang mounted safety, lever safety, trigger lock, cable lock, mag well lock, mag removal, ammo under separate lock/key, visual chamber check, pinky chamber check, chamber flag, lockbox, gun box, gun safe, gun vault, RSC, et al…None of these would've prevented this shooting once the weapons's primary safety failed.

It all comes back to the owner or user, if of an appropriate maturity level. He/she is the firearms' primary safety. Everything else on the list is little more than a tool to enhance the ability of the owner/user to verify/maintain a firearms' inert status when not in use.

The weapons' primary safety failed. That's all it took. How terribly sad...
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Old January 21, 2015, 03:56 AM   #10
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It is obviously a terrible, terrible time for that unfortunate family.
They will almost assuredly not return to their earlier happiness...ever.

These types of horrible tragedies make me cringe for another reason, too.
They are apt to push "on the fence" kinds of people to become gungrabbers.
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Old January 21, 2015, 04:43 AM   #11
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Maybe it's just me, but leaving a loaded gun in a house around kids would be no different than sitting a kid in the drivers seat of a running car with a key in it.
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Old January 21, 2015, 05:21 AM   #12
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Maybe it's just me, but leaving a loaded gun in a house around kids would be no different than sitting a kid in the drivers seat of a running car with a key in it.

I and many other people grew up in a house that had loaded firearms within access, whether it be in a parents closet, drawer, etc. The reason my parents could do this is the same reason they could put me behind the drivers seat of a running car with the key in it. They taught me in no uncertain terms not to touch anything they told me not to.
The difference between children that are ignorant of firearms and see them as toys, and those that recognize them as weapons, is how they are educated and at what age.
There are millions of loaded firearms out there and there are millions of educated and disciplined children that don't have accidents with them.
That said, don't leave your loaded gun next to a 5 year old.

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Old January 21, 2015, 06:50 AM   #13
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I will say is this -

The home owner, or owner of the firearm, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

As a responsible gun owner, which I think most of us are, I can't sit back and abide these kinds of tragedy any longer. We have a constant battle to keep our 2nd amendment rights, and this kind of absolute negligence must stop.

I'm more torn here. As a parent myself, and a human one at that, com[lete with the flaws that come with being such, I don't feel surviving small children are always best served by separating them for life (or near-life) from their parents, particularly in a time of crisis. I certainly wouldn't base the motivation for such separation on the "battle to keep our 2nd amendment rights."

These situations are indeed tragic, and I wish I had a workable solution, or a suggestion for an appropriate response (if there even is one), but I don't. I'm just not sure that swift, knee-jerk, government involvement is always the solution.
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Old January 21, 2015, 06:55 AM   #14
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Firearms are an "Always And Never" proposition.

Always secure the weapon. Never allow Children access.

Some people just can't do Always and Never. For these people, It's more like "Always, except when the phone rings" Or "Never, except when we forget".

These are the people that the gun grabbers want dis armed.

Unfortunately, it's not easy to look at a person and decide if they are capable of understanding what "Always And Never" means.

It's an unfortunate side effect of our freedoms, but as long as we are free to make our own choices there will always be someone that chooses to screw up horribly. These sorts of "Accidents" will never stop happening, and so called gun control won't stop them.

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Old January 21, 2015, 10:49 AM   #15
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I and many other people grew up in a house that had loaded firearms within access, whether it be in a parents closet, drawer, etc. The reason my parents could do this is the same reason they could put me behind the drivers seat of a running car with the key in it. They taught me in no uncertain terms not to touch anything they told me not to.
The difference between children that are ignorant of firearms and see them as toys, and those that recognize them as weapons, is how they are educated and at what age.
There are millions of loaded firearms out there and there are millions of educated and disciplined children that don't have accidents with them.
That said, don't leave your loaded gun next to a 5 year old.
That about sums it up...

Had this discussion dropping my 17 year old off at the bus this AM...

She told me in no uncertain terms that from her first memories she understood that she was not to touch things she was instructed not to...

She is now a damn fine wing-shot...
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Old January 21, 2015, 10:56 AM   #16
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For those of you that don't want to click on the link, this about sums it up:

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(CNN)The mother called 911 to say her 5-year-old boy shot his baby brother with a paintball gun.

But it wasn't a paintball gun. It was a .22-caliber Magnum revolver. And the 9-month-old boy didn't survive.

Authorities are trying to figure out what led to Monday's shooting in Elmo, in the northwest corner of Missouri.

"At this point foul play is not suspected, and it appears at this time that the shooting was accidental," the Nodaway County Sheriff's Office said.

Sheriff Darren White told CNN affiliate KCTV that the baby was in a playpen when his brother found the gun lying around a bed.
I don't really see how this fits into the THR's mission of promoting responsible gun ownership. In fact it seems to be the exact opposite.
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Old January 21, 2015, 11:05 AM   #17
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I don't really see how this fits into the THR's mission of promoting responsible gun ownership. In fact it seems to be the exact opposite
You got that right. In 1970 before cable, "social media", computers, this would be a local story only.

And accidental firearms deaths are down enormously since their high in 1900. Just look at that chart! My daughter emailed me this story. I told her the same answer as here.

Go bake a cake. This is a drive by. If a dart or a baseball bat was involved, we would not know about it.
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Old January 21, 2015, 11:43 AM   #18
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This is sad, but off topic. Just because a news story has a gun in it does not mean it is fit for THR.
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