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Old September 10, 2014, 11:22 AM   #1
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I am sending this to all businesses that have caved into the Mom’s Demand Action demands to request patrons not carry weapons into their facilities. If you care to do the same you have to go to each business web site and find the contact us page.

http://momsdemandaction.org/corporate-responsibility/


I just wanted to share with you my decision to never, ever, patronize your facilities again. Your request for law abiding citizens to refrain from carrying weapons into your locations has had the desired effect on me and I will no longer carry into your facilities. However, I doubt it will have the same impact to any criminals and ne'er-do-wells intent on ignoring your request.

I am a law abiding concealed handgun license holder and I no longer feel welcome or safe at your places of business. As such I will no longer patronize your business. I realize this has no practical effect on your revenue but maybe if the other 100,000,000 or so law abiding gun owners in the United States will join me, perhaps then you will feel the pain of your decision to only allow criminals and ne'er-do-wells to carry weapons into your stores.

Sincerely,
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Old September 10, 2014, 11:29 AM   #2
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Well... I'll have to do some researching on this and see where my patronizing will take place. Thanks!
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Old September 10, 2014, 12:39 PM   #3
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Perhaps it should be noted that almost all of these retailers have made meaningless public "requests," not adopted signs or policies of asking gun owners to leave. What they really mean is "Please don't come in flashing your iron. Keep it covered up so that you aren't bothering some of our other customers, and everyone can keep doing business."
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Old September 10, 2014, 12:48 PM   #4
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Personally, I vote with my wallet and do not spend money in these businesses...
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Old September 10, 2014, 02:49 PM   #5
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Personally, I vote with my wallet and do not spend money in these businesses...
I agree, however I would suggest sending them some info about moms and Bloomberg, please see my post below.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....7&postcount=10

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Old September 10, 2014, 02:59 PM   #6
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I feel the same way as NGIB, I vote with my wallet and will not patronize any 2nd amendment interfering business. I know if all the people who have an investment in firearms and enjoy all aspects of the 2nd amendment friendly activities, were to vote with their wallets, that some of these businesses would back off of their endangering their customers/employees lives buy creating a gun free zone inside their business. That is an open invitation to the unsavory crowd of thieves and drug heads looking for an easy mark. They cannot straddle this fence on the 2nd amendment, either they are for our rights or against them, taking the position they have is an insult to me and my rights as well as my money!!
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Old September 10, 2014, 03:50 PM   #7
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verge,

You do realize that MDA isn't exactly a reliable source of information on their claims of which businesses support them, right? We need to be certain of our target.
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Old September 10, 2014, 07:07 PM   #8
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Most of these businesses have no issues with concealed carry in places that allow that. Personally I vote to do business with places selling US-made products where possible.
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Old September 10, 2014, 07:10 PM   #9
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You do realize that MDA isn't exactly a reliable source of information on their claims of which businesses support them, right? We need to be certain of our target.
Neither my local Panera, Chipote Grill, or Target have any signs requesting customers not to carry weapons, in their business.

Not that I see the need to open carry an E.B.R. to shop or get a bite to eat.
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Old September 11, 2014, 10:35 PM   #10
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You do realize that MDA isn't exactly a reliable source of information on their claims of which businesses support them, right? We need to be certain of our target.
Well, based on the responses I have received, I would say they are very accurate.
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Old September 11, 2014, 10:40 PM   #11
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Most of these businesses have no issues with concealed carry in places that allow that. Personally I vote to do business with places selling US-made products where possible.
The problem is these businesses want to ride the fence. They want it both ways. They put out a press release saying please keep your weapons home and then they want to tell us well we really didn't mean it (wink) (wink).

That is simply unacceptable. They either support our civil and natural rights or they don't. Their public statements indicate they do not wish us to visit their places of business ... we should oblige.

That is just as bad as the billions of Muslims that privately say they do not support jihad, beheadings and terrorists but refuse to acknowledge those same feeling publically for fear of being ostracized from their communities.

As our founders tried to teach us, you are either on the side of freedom with all of the risks that go with or you are not. Period.
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Old September 11, 2014, 10:58 PM   #12
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They don't have to "support" us. They only need to not support the antis and follow the law of the land. WE brought this on ourselves with the idiotic behavior from a few misguided attention whores that provided the ammunition that MDA is now using to try to get businesses to ban us outright.
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Old September 11, 2014, 11:29 PM   #13
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Target? Really??? They can say that with a straight face????
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Old September 15, 2014, 07:51 PM   #14
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Yeah, MDA claims victory whenever a company makes a non-binding request that we please not show up with guns. Shuts MDA up and it doesn't impact us at all. Then MDA claims they've accomplished something and jack the copyrighted logos and put them up on their site citing the company as their BFF.
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Old September 16, 2014, 08:37 PM   #15
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"Target is 'respectfully' requesting that shoppers not bring guns into its stores."

How would we react if, instead, it were this: "Target is 'respectfully' requesting that [insert name of discriminated against a minority group] not come into its stores"?
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Old September 22, 2014, 08:34 PM   #16
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I love "vote with your wallet" as much as the next law abiding gun owner BUT there is just not enough of us to make that much of a difference.

I don't mean, not enough gun owners, because our numbers are increasing daily --- No, Hourly, but because this is Amerika and we are 110% AmeriKanz. We are also capitalists and like to, for the most part, buy at the least expensive places at the best prices and that is good. It keeps business under control knowing they have to be competitive or sink. So I bet most of us (not all) will leave the gun in the car and go into the posted business anyhow. Or what if we are out with friends and come across a "no guns" sign on a door, when all the others want in? What goes then?

To have one or two people tell a business owner they will not shop there because of the gun policy doesn't make a dent. I have personally tried numerous times, in a nice way, to no avail.

What we need is a way of getting the 100,000,000 on the same page and that would make a difference. I don't know how to do that.

It includes the fudds and casual gun owners that have the unshot pistol in the drawer.

Unless that happens, not much progress will be made against an organization like Momsdemandaction, that uses feelings and not logic to push forth their agenda.

Take any one of those momz and put them in a "situation" and I bet they would just love to have me and my firearm close by, but they can't see that forest through the trees as the saying goes.
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Old September 22, 2014, 08:54 PM   #17
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FWIW, it sounds like Mothers Against Illegal Guns () may be rapidly wearing out their welcome as far as their demands on businesses to come out publicly against gun carriers. TTAG is hardly an unbiased source, but reports of MDA groups being asked to leave are trickling in, a fact I hardly find surprising given all the negative publicity they have been slinging against various stores. Though it's obviously not because they are supportive of carry groups, but rather because those groups don't tend to be mega-phoning bad publicity at the stores, it seems like in these instances the OC/CC folks counter-demonstrating are more well received. 'Bout time we start enjoying the same tactics as the anti's, here (using the chastening of the opposition to make our side look supported/accepted by contrast )

The more stories of the MDA rallies are coming out, the more they are starting to look like Temperance pushers.

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Old September 22, 2014, 10:08 PM   #18
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I'm with you 110%.
I try not to patronize any business that bans legal citizens carrying, although I do not often send letters to said businesses.

All that said, I would take anything on the "Moms are full of crap" website with a large grain of salt.

For example, I don't believe Target has a "No CHL" policy...just a "No Open Carry" policy, thanks to a certain few idiots.
Likewise, Sonic, and I believe, Starbucks (although in all honesty, I do not patronize Starbucks, because thier coffee smells and tastes like burned dog crap).

I will check Sprouts the next time I go there. Chili's and JoAnns, likewise. Although the wife and I have been to JoAnns several times in the last year, and I have never seen a sign...and I am very tuned-in to that.

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Old September 22, 2014, 10:32 PM   #19
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I think the business doesn't have any real obligation to choose a side. They're a business, They should be on the side of financial gain, happy employees, and happy stock holders.

If your business chooses to ride a side, then prepare to suffer the out lash from the other side. Most of which is perceived hype. Its not real, its Facebook fairy dust. I don't shop at target because target is a HORRIBLE store.. But I will get a diet lime aid from sonic on a hot day at happy hour. Because its cheap, and delicious. These are choices I made based on preference, NOT petty politics.

I say its high time we stop trying to pressure businesses to go one way or another, rather just side with the law, and compete with their actual products.

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Old September 23, 2014, 07:37 AM   #20
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Costco here has a sign saying "Firearms are not permitted", or something to that effect. It's not a "legal" sign, so I just carry past it.
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Old September 24, 2014, 08:52 AM   #21
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Most of these businesses are responding in a way that satisfies everyone. Remember the few tactical covered idiots that were pictured in restaurants and stores with their shouldered AK's and AR's wandering through the toy department and lunch counters across America a few weeks back? It was these guys that brought all the negative attention on gun rights groups.

Cover your gun, and enter Target, Cosco, or most of the others. They just are asking for your discretion and their response to Mom's across America is just that.
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Old October 2, 2014, 07:47 AM   #22
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If your seen "flashing your Iron" at a business, you dont deserve to have a CONCEALED Carry Permit.

c'mon be safe.
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Old October 2, 2014, 12:57 PM   #23
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The problem is these businesses want to ride the fence.
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They either support our civil and natural rights or they don't.
No, the problem is that people expect for profit businesses to involve themselves in these matters. They're in business to make money. They're not a political organization. They are a business. Expecting them to take any position either way is silly. That's not what they're there for.

If I owned a business I wouldn't respond to either except with the statement, "This business abides by all state laws and requires it's patrons do the same." That's the only stance I would take and I would not respond to either side other than that.

Well, I would tell the jackasses with the ARs and AKs slung across there backs to take their agenda some other place than my store. They would not be welcome at all.
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Old October 2, 2014, 11:34 PM   #24
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Folks, let's try to stay on the original topic and not wander off point.
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Old October 11, 2014, 03:36 PM   #25
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What we need is an anti MDA organization. Something that gets out into the face of the MDA group. Counter protest.
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