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Old October 2, 2013, 08:49 PM   #101
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problem is I don't want the 3.8 XDM. I want a single stack 45 that conceals under a t-shirt. and I don't want the extra weight of the 3.8 either. That's why I bought the daggone thing.
Same here. I also bought an extended mag and a hybrid holster for mine. Both would be worthless if they can't fix it. I'm confident they will though.

I'd take a stainless 5.25 .45 though. My point was just that I'm sure they'll make it right. They'd ruin their rep otherwise.
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Old October 3, 2013, 09:21 AM   #102
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I'm sure they will. It hasn't been that long yet. Give them time to work.
I'm sure they will. I only hope that it doesn't alter the feel of the gun in any way. I was really starting to fall in love with mine, especially since I had just put it through a 2 day training course.
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Old October 3, 2013, 12:41 PM   #103
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I recommended not sending your gun in until they came out and stated what it was that was wrong with it in the first place.
This because it may have been a drop in part that you could have done yourself at home.
I kind of felt that they did no know what was wrong with the guns, and it turns out I was right.
If the gun is going to sit on loading dock someplace it may as well sit here in my safe.
Honestly, if they hadn't have told us anything was wrong, we never would have known.
It's probably as safe to carry the gun now, as it was for the 2 prior years. If this was a one in ten million occurrence, the odds are you will win the lotto before your gun goes full auto.
Plus there maybe a fix a month from now that is a drop in part. I am not carrying mine full time as I used to, but it can still sit in the nightstand with my other weapon. I am sure it will fire if and when needed and probably never do either of those two things that they don't know how to fix in the first place. Just aim at the floor when loading, lol,
If it goes full auto when I am aiming at a bad guy, it may be the first legal full auto xds pistol I have seen. I sincerely doubt that will happen.
In any case with a hundred thousand guns to fix, and no fix in sight, it will be a long time before any of those guns come home. There are after market grip safety's that are sold by other manufacturers, if that is the part , I will just order one and put it in myself. Rather spend 50-75 dollars than lose a gun for what may end up a year.
Watch for a class action lawsuit next, things like this have put companies out of business before. I don't wish them any harm, "I like their guns". But they better get their ass moving on at least coming up with what the problem is, or they may find this to be something they can never recover from.
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Old October 3, 2013, 12:48 PM   #104
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Same here. I also bought an extended mag and a hybrid holster for mine. Both would be worthless if they can't fix it. I'm confident they will though.

I'd take a stainless 5.25 .45 though. My point was just that I'm sure they'll make it right. They'd ruin their rep otherwise.
I also have the extended mag and a crossbreed OWB holster for it that just sits atop my safe right now. frustrating to say the least. I was really starting to enjoy shooting it.

An XDsc in 9mm stands duty in a pistol safe upstairs, mostly because it got to be a bit heavy for CCW when I first bought it a few years ago. Great gun, just not what I want to carry. same for the 3.8 i suspect.

But, being the rational guy I am, I would also settle for an EMP in 9mm with the wooden grips.

Springfield, you here me out there?
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Old October 3, 2013, 04:23 PM   #105
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I purchased a glock 36 yesterday. Couldn't wait any longer for the xds to come back. First 100 rounds of fmj blazer fired without incident. It beats up my knuckle some,but so far I'm pleased. If and when the xds returns I will see if I keep both.
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Old October 3, 2013, 04:53 PM   #106
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Old October 3, 2013, 06:52 PM   #107
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I have both the XDs and XD45. My service model has never failed me, the XDs has had issues from day one (light strikes, ect), and now this. As soon as it comes back, It's a goner. I'm going back to a XD9SC. I still have faith in Springfield Armory, just not my XDs.
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Old October 3, 2013, 11:50 PM   #108
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It's a shame because so many guys were using that gun as their EDC. It had the size and weight down perfect for a 45. I went to a PM9, and will see if this ever gets fixed what I will do. I may just use my Glock30 or go for a Pro series S&W 1911 compact.
I prefer a 45, as long as it is small and light enough.
That Liberty ammo helps cut down weight with a 78 grain 45 round.
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Old October 4, 2013, 03:07 PM   #109
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Here is the latest update just released

XD-S™ Voluntary Safety Recall FAQ
Updated Oct. 4, 2013
This information applies only to XD-S™ pistols in the serial number ranges below
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ 9mm pistols - serial numbers between XS900000 and XS938700
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ .45ACP pistols - serial numbers between XS500000 and XS686300

This Springfield XD-S™ Recall FAQ will be updated every Friday through the recall process. Please check back for updates.

Thank you for the positive response to our voluntary safety recall and to our most recent update. We exercised extreme caution by issuing this recall and we did so because safety is, and always has been, our paramount concern. We truly appreciate the enormous support, patience and loyalty of our customers and we remain committed to resolving this matter quickly and ensuring that you are pleased with your upgraded 3.3 XD-S™.

As we noted in last Friday's update, our testing of potential upgrade solutions has continued and we are pleased to tell you that we have made significant progress over the last seven days. We have now identified what we believe is our final upgrade solution and throughout this coming week we will be continuing with our thorough and exhaustive testing of that solution. It's because of our commitment to your safety that we are conducting such extensive testing and we are working as fast as we can so that we can return your upgraded pistol to you.

We understand that our voluntary safety recall has made it inconvenient for you to be without your pistol, and we sincerely apologize for that. We expect to have more definitive information to share with you by Friday, October 11.

As a reminder, do not use your 3.3 XD-S™ until the upgrade has been performed
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Old October 4, 2013, 05:19 PM   #110
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Getting closer...... If you believe them. I do

Thanks for the update
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Old October 4, 2013, 06:18 PM   #111
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Thanks for monitoring their site for us.
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Old October 4, 2013, 07:49 PM   #112
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That's the point. They have had it longer than I have
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Old October 5, 2013, 02:43 AM   #113
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So, no fix and no refund? Am I hearing this right? They are just sitting on the pistols telling people to wait indefinetly?
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Old October 5, 2013, 03:56 AM   #114
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So, no fix and no refund? Am I hearing this right? They are just sitting on the pistols telling people to wait indefinetly?
Yep. That pretty much sums it up.
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Old October 5, 2013, 05:34 AM   #115
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Yep. That pretty much sums it up.
It's sounding like a lawsuit is about the only thing going to get Springfield to make this right. Either for refund or trades for a different model.

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Old October 5, 2013, 05:52 AM   #116
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I totally get all the frustration but I have a question for a ffl...if they would even answer it anyways.

roughly 38699 9MM and roughly 186299 45 ACP's are in this recall. Besides adding in all the extra cost involved what would be a close monitary value of this to Springfield. I know what the average joe buys it for isn't what the ffl gave for it but I am also sure they ffl isn't making 300 on each gun either.
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Old October 5, 2013, 10:56 AM   #117
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Lightbulb Here is the latest update just released

Reader's Digest version:

"We haven't even begun to start repairing your pistols. Keep waiting patiently. We'll get this figured out eventually. We think."

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Old October 5, 2013, 11:35 AM   #118
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This just in. Squalid and late is no way to run a company.

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Dear Springfield Customer,

We understand that our voluntary safety recall has made it inconvenient for you to be without your pistol, and we sincerely apologize for that.

Once your pistol has been upgraded and is shipped back to you, an e-mail confirmation with tracking information will be sent to you at the e-mail address you provided.
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Old October 5, 2013, 12:05 PM   #119
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It is going to be in the 20+ million at $300 per gun, "just playing with some imaginary numbers", If the guns cost 3 hundred to make, and there are 250,000 of them. "Assuming that number is somewhat close" This may cost the 20-50 million dollars, if they had to refund 400 dollars, per gun. It would be cheaper to offer a new gun, like the 3.8, or a gift card, once you turn in your gun. If the cost of the labor shipping and parts, exceeds their cost for a new firearm, could that happen?
Or would that tarnish their reputation forever, as the company that couldn't fix their own product, "even if it were easier". It has to take a lot of time to fix a quarter million guns, and run your normal production lines. Does anyone think they would put a safety on the frame?
I just got the email from them while posting, says no self install kit along with the other stuff mentioned. Also the roll pin on the grip release is one of the fixes.
I am still holding on to mine, why would a roll pin in the grip safety stop the problem, if it just goes through the plastic?
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Old October 5, 2013, 12:10 PM   #120
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I can't see a rollpin through the grip safety as anything but a cosmetic thing to indicate a post-recall gun.

If someone can show me that I'm wrong on that, I'd be delighted.
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Old October 5, 2013, 12:16 PM   #121
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OilyPablo, I received the same email this morning.

I figured that it must be a non-specific response to the email that I sent them in late August.

Perhaps this is their belated effort to notify all registered owners, y'think?
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Old October 7, 2013, 09:22 AM   #122
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XDs Recall Timeframe

I spoke with Customer service, they are saying about 30 days, give or take, mine is due back this week, we will see...
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Old October 7, 2013, 10:32 AM   #123
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It is going to be in the 20+ million at $300 per gun, "just playing with some imaginary numbers", If the guns cost 3 hundred to make, and there are 250,000 of them. "Assuming that number is somewhat close" This may cost the 20-50 million dollars, if they had to refund 400 dollars, per gun. It would be cheaper to offer a new gun, like the 3.8, or a gift card, once you turn in your gun. If the cost of the labor shipping and parts, exceeds their cost for a new firearm, could that happen?
Or would that tarnish their reputation forever, as the company that couldn't fix their own product, "even if it were easier". It has to take a lot of time to fix a quarter million guns, and run your normal production lines. Does anyone think they would put a safety on the frame?
I just got the email from them while posting, says no self install kit along with the other stuff mentioned. Also the roll pin on the grip release is one of the fixes.
I am still holding on to mine, why would a roll pin in the grip safety stop the problem, if it just goes through the plastic?
If they send me back a gun with a manual safety I will be a little upset, considering one of the main reasons I purchased it in the first place was because it had no manual safety.
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Old October 7, 2013, 11:18 AM   #124
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If the guns cost 3 hundred to make...
I seriously doubt they cost $300 a copy to make.

When the AF went to the M9, those of us that were required to carry concealed under a flightsuit cried. I started an effort to get the Glock G19 as a carry gun for aircrews. Glock sent me a huge package of literature on their guns, and the price they would sell them to the AF for.

That’s where the project died. The AF was paying $199 per for the M9.
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Old October 7, 2013, 05:05 PM   #125
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"If they send me back a gun with a manual safety I will be a little upset, considering one of the main reasons I purchased it in the first place was because it had no manual safety."

While that would no doubt be an annoying situation - the quick fix for their manual safety would be... just don't engage the darn thing.

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