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View Poll Results: Which Semi-Auto .30Cal Rifle?
AR10 (308) 82 55.41%
AK47 in 308 10 6.76%
Other (please specify) 56 37.84%
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Old October 4, 2014, 07:34 AM   #1
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Which 308 Semi Rifle?

I'm looking to buy a semiauto .30 caliber rifle, but I'm deciding between an AR10 or a VEPR 7.62 AK. Its kinda an apples-oranges comparison, but both seem to have its pro's and cons.

The rifles I'm looking for in particular are the Sig716 (piston 308) vs the VEPR AK 7.62x54R.

Any input or experience with either platform is appreciated.

I will add a poll to see which one you would recommend. I'm leaning towards the AR10 for parts availability and ammo, but the VEPR has a certain appeal being an Russian AK.

Thanks.
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Old October 4, 2014, 08:29 AM   #2
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It's hard to say since you didn't tell us what the rifle will be used for.

From everything I've read Sig makes a good AR-10. Add to that all the aftermarket parts available for all AR platforms it's hard to beat. That is unless you have a need for a different type of rifle, again, you didn't say what it's to be used for.

If you do go with the VERP I highly suggest you buy it in .308 instead of 7.62X54R. Your ammo selection will be much greater with the .308 over the Russian round and the ballistics are better.
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Old October 4, 2014, 08:39 AM   #3
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Interesting, 3 votes for other and as of yet nobody specified an "other".

Given a choice (between the two) I would go with the AR10 type rifle but only because that would be more inline with my taste. I also like the M1A types or I guess M14 clones. My AR10 rifle is pretty straight forward lacking whistles and bells, just my taste.

Pretty general response because as ArchAngelCD mentioned we don't know your intended application.

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Old October 4, 2014, 08:46 AM   #4
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other= LWRC R.E.P.R.
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Old October 4, 2014, 09:09 AM   #5
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I went VEPR.... why? I think its a niche/interesting gun that would be fun to shoot. No first hand experience, I just like the power to cost ratio afforded by the 7.62R round. While there isnt a lot of variety available, thats ok with me, surplus shoots good enough for me - 99.99% of my shooting is done at a rifle range no longer than 200 yards.
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Old October 4, 2014, 09:16 AM   #6
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Other. If you were gonna spend $2k and lose the accuracy advantages of an AR by going with an op rod upper, might as well get an FAL instead.
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Old October 4, 2014, 09:17 AM   #7
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Well, since you listed "Other - please specify" as an option, I'd recommend you at least consider LMT's 7.62 offering on the MRP platform, either the MWS, which the Brits adopted, or the *somewhat* light(er)-weight variant, the LM8.

Very accurate and 100% reliable with 7.62 mil-surplus ball or .308 commercial fodder.

LM8 in "precision mode," w/ 18" SS tube & Leupy 1x-6x scope.




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Old October 4, 2014, 09:37 AM   #8
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My other would be a "PTR GI R".
It's at a price point thats hard to beat.
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com....html?Itemid=0
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Old October 4, 2014, 10:16 AM   #9
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I voted for AR10 but my other vote would have been for the FAL.
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Old October 4, 2014, 11:48 AM   #10
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M1A the civilian version of the M14.
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Old October 4, 2014, 02:44 PM   #11
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justice06rr: I have and shoot a AR-10 ArmaLite (T) and a Springfield M-14 quite a bit. And like them both more every time I use them. I have never had any problems what so ever with either of these rifles. Both of these rifles are extremley accurate and very well made, to my way of thinking. I have been shooting both of these rifles for several years now and would just be lost with out them, they are very special to me. IMHO You would be hard pressed to beat either one of them.
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Old October 4, 2014, 03:03 PM   #12
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Old school, M-1A.
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Old October 4, 2014, 03:09 PM   #13
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FAL for me.
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Old October 4, 2014, 04:09 PM   #14
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What do you intend to use it for?
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Old October 4, 2014, 04:18 PM   #15
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Weight is a primary consideration with any semi-auto 308.

How big/strong are you? In my humble opinion, lighter is almost always better if you're planning on carrying the rifle for any real amount of time. You can tame recoil by a combination of brake/bolt/adj gas-system, but it's tough to shave ounces.

I have a LRB M25, SCAR 17, and a Mega MATEN. Think twice about your 'use case' before you decide to buy a 9-12lb rifle. Adding optics gets heavy quick, add a full 20rd mag and packing that rifle for miles gets rough.

The M25 is heavy, really heavy with optics.
The SCAR17 isn't bad, but feels a little blocky to me.
I prefer the lightweight Mega build - a tad lighter than the SCAR and more streamlined.

If I were you, I'd either build a lightweight AR10/LR308 or buy a Christensen Arms CA-10. People say the SCAR and M1A/M14 are expensive, but quality AR10/LR308 builds are way up there.
http://www.christensenarms.com/products/msr/ca-10-dmr/
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Old October 4, 2014, 10:49 PM   #16
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SMITH M&P 10 light,reasonably priced,and accurate.if i had cash,colt le901 308. converts to 223
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Old October 4, 2014, 10:55 PM   #17
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Ptr-91 GI.
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Old October 5, 2014, 12:43 AM   #18
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Of those two I would go for the sig. I have owned almost all the options mentioned here. I still have a Saiga 308, M1a and MP10. I like them all.
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Old October 5, 2014, 01:06 AM   #19
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Another vote for a M1A. You'll pay about the same as for a quality AR10, maybe less in some cases. Felt recoil is about the same as my 300BLK on a M4 chassis and the Springfield weighs about 1-1/2 pounds more. Accuracy will be at least the same, maybe better, than the AR-10. And you just can't beat a gorgeous walnut stock.
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Old October 5, 2014, 01:16 AM   #20
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I agree with Cooldill. I cannot overstate it's value. At under a grand you are getting a great battle rifle. If you do not want the HK clone, I would like into the Ruger SR 762. That will likely be my next 7.62 autoloader.
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Old October 5, 2014, 03:39 AM   #21
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Old October 5, 2014, 04:03 AM   #22
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Fal for me. Inch or metric it's all good.
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Old October 5, 2014, 04:04 AM   #23
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I voted Other - M1A.

All my AR10 experience is with the DPMS LAR-10. I just didn't like it. Accurate enough I guess, but it was heavy, poorly balanced, and we experienced significant reliability issues with it. For me, the only AR worth having is an AR15 in 5.56. I know many will disagree with that, so hold onto your lighters and blowtorches.

Main reason I voted the M1A over the VEPR is I just really like the M1A. I think it's a great system, it's proven, it's an aesthetically beautiful design (imo), and very practical. Yeah it's a bit heavier at around 10 pounds or so, but it's a very well balanced 10 pounds and feels like less.
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Old October 5, 2014, 08:55 AM   #24
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M1A Scout.
Put a long eye relief scope on the hand guard rail, and you're set. You will not be disappointed.
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Old October 5, 2014, 09:05 AM   #25
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Another vote for a M1A. You'll pay about the same as for a quality AR10, maybe less in some cases. Felt recoil is about the same as my 300BLK on a M4 chassis and the Springfield weighs about 1-1/2 pounds more. Accuracy will be at least the same, maybe better, than the AR-10. And you just can't beat a gorgeous walnut stock.
That has not been my experience at all. Both the m1s I had were less accurate, cost a Lot more, and I never liked my scope mounting options.

That said, I don't really like the AR platform all that much as far as cosmetics and ergonomics, but it sure can shoot.
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