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Old January 30, 2014, 12:12 PM   #51
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Somewhat misleading on Illinois HB4376; it does "add" language to the law regarding transportation of a firearm in Aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, and Unlawful use of a weapon, but the net effect is that it removes certain requirements to transportation.

Currently, people must transport a firearm broken down in a non-functional state, or unloaded and enclosed in a case, shipping container, or other container. This bill would strike the "broken down" and the "in the case..." portion for long guns. So the rifle, shotgun, "or other long gun" just has to be unloaded. Handguns are unaffected.

(Currently transporting an unloaded, uncased, but otherwise functional firearm can be a felony charge).
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Old January 30, 2014, 01:50 PM   #52
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Have you seen this nonsense Trent?

http://wizbangblog.com/2014/01/23/il...ndment-rights/

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Illinois is mulling a new medical marijuana law that would force pot users to sign away their right to bear arms.

Those who focus on the right to bear arms love to say, “what part of ‘shall not be infringed’ don’t you understand,” as a catch phrase to show that the founders did not want government to be able to sweep in and take away our rights to self defense. That phrase can be asked of Illinois legislators who are proposing that to get a medical marijuana permit citizens would have to relinquish their right to bear arms.

The plan would require pot users to be fingerprinted for a background check, they’d have to pay a yearly $150 permit fee, and they would be forced to give up their Second Amendment rights to be allowed to get pot.
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Old January 30, 2014, 06:35 PM   #53
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Let's not get derailed on this particular thread, I'll open a new one.
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Old January 31, 2014, 09:11 PM   #54
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ILLINOIS

SB2786 - Provides that it is unlawful for any person to possess a suppressor for any firearm that has had its serial number removed or altered. Provides that a violation is a Class 3 felony. Effective immediately. (Makes suppressors "double special illegal in certain cases...)

SB2806 - Exempts certain licensed security people from Unlawful Use of Weapons. (Background; this is introduced again by Munoz for unknown reasons; it's been a "way around" the concealed carry prohibition by Chicago politicians for awhile, to allow them to carry a firearm when most people couldn't; remember the senator arrested at the airport?)

HB4507 - Provides that the Department of State Police may not retain, copy, or distribute any information previously collected under the provisions concerning the transfer of firearms, stun guns, and tasers. Provides that the Department shall destroy all records of the dial up telephone system with respect to the call, other than the identifying number and the date the number was assigned, and all records of the system relating to the person or the transfer, within 31 days after the call.

(Trailer bill for the new FOID transfer TCN requirement there)

HB4517 Provides that a concealed carry licensee under the Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a restaurant. Defines "restaurant" (highly restrictive, could be used to cover any building with a cooking area, including most workplaces!)

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14 paragraph (9.5), "restaurant" means: (A) an eating
15 establishment, including, but not limited to, a coffee
16 shop, cafeteria, and a sandwich stand that gives or offers
17 for sale food to the public, guests, or employees, and (B)
18 a kitchen or catering facility in which food is prepared on
19 the premises for serving elsewhere. "Restaurant" includes
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Old February 1, 2014, 04:13 AM   #55
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Unless I've missed something or misinterpreted it, I'm just not hearing anything negative about Arizona yet?

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Old February 1, 2014, 12:11 PM   #56
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Unless I've missed something or misinterpreted it, I'm just not hearing anything negative about Arizona yet?

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Old February 1, 2014, 12:13 PM   #57
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We had a minor glitch in our import script yesterday so some of these are a day late, I also wont repeat the ones Trent already posted.

New Jersey

S1109 would allow sheriffs to issue firearm identification cards, permits to purchase handguns and permits to carry handguns

S1137 would outlaw 3D printed guns that can not be detected by metal detectors or that 'does not generate an image that accurately depicts the shape of the component.' when run through an x-ray machine

Maryland

HB623 would integrate the criminal justice system information database with the automated firearms system and would require the state police to perform a check for individuals that purchased a firearm before October 1, 2013 and were later convicted of a disqualifying crime

HB659 would allow the transportation of a firearm through the state (to another state) by anyone who is not prohibited as long as the firearm is unloaded and not directly accessible

Rhode Island

H7311 would prohibit anyone convicted of a misdemeanor for owning a firearm for a period of two years, upon a second misdemeanor they would be prohibited for four years

S2242 is the companion bill to H7311

H7310 would prohibit a person from owning firearms if they are convicted of a misdemeanor under section 12-29-5 (crime of violence) with punishments of 3-15 years

Tennessee SB2424 rewrites laws pertaining to concealed carry stating that only those carrying concealed are required to have a handgun permit, essentially legalizing open carry

Kentucky

HB293 would remove from federal regulation any firearm manufactured within the state that remains in the state

SB106 would grant a temporary license to carry a concealed weapon when a person is granted an order of protection and they have no criminal history that would prohibit them from owning a firearm

Florida H0753 would allow schools to designate school safety officers that may carry on school property

Ohio HB420 revises current law about where a firearm can be transported in a vehicle, includes parking garages owned by the state, employer's parking lots and more

Oregon

HB4068 would change law pertaining to concealed carry permits adding in exceptions for convictions for marijuana possession

SB1551 would require all firearm transfers, including private ones, to go through a background check

Utah SB0095 adds 'spouse of active military' to those exempted from license fees

Colorado HB1230 would set up a means for those convicted of a non-violent felony to petition the court to have their firearm rights restored

Arizona

HB2542 would make it a crime to store a loaded firearm 'on any premises under the person's control if the person knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm'

SB1294 is a nullification of federal firearms laws bill

South Dakota

SB133 would set up preemption within the state along with penalties for any local official that would violate it
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Old February 1, 2014, 02:09 PM   #58
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Illinois SB2786 - Provides that it is unlawful for any person to possess a suppressor for any firearm that has had its serial number removed or altered. Provides that a violation is a Class 3 felony. Effective immediately. (Makes suppressors "double special illegal in certain cases...)
I was scratching my head about why this would even be put forward. It's already a class 3 felony under UUW to possess a device capable of suppressing the report of a firearm, elevated to Class 2 felony under certain situations (proximity to a school, etc).

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Sec. 24-1.3. Possession of a suppressor without a serial
8 number or with an altered serial number.
9 (a) It is unlawful for any person to possess a suppressor
10 for any firearm that has had its serial number removed or
11 altered.
12 (b) Sentence. A violation of this Section is a Class 3
13 felony.
Sloppy piece of legislation. The way (a) is written (lacking commas) it makes it appear that the firearm is the target. It also specifically says "removed or altered", whereas the header indicates that it was meant to target something that has never HAD a serial number.

Odd, why they'd try to tack on yet another class 3 felony.

The only thing a colleague of mine and I could come up with last night is they are trying (with a quite sloppily written bill) to target oil-filter type makeshift suppressors.

Have other states specifically targeted this type of thing in the past?
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Old February 1, 2014, 02:27 PM   #59
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I was scratching my head about why this would even be put forward. It's already a class 3 felony under UUW to possess a device capable of suppressing the report of a firearm, elevated to Class 2 felony under certain situations (proximity to a school, etc).
I was thinking the exact same thing when I read it, making something illegal that's already illegal and honestly I have to wonder if the genius that wrote this mess actually knows what they are talking about (like the moron from California with AR that can shoot a full mag in under a second)
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I was thinking the exact same thing when I read it, making something illegal that's already illegal and honestly I have to wonder if the genius that wrote this mess actually knows what they are talking about (like the moron from California with AR that can shoot a full mag in under a second)
Yes, same thoughts in my head. The language of that is so sloppy a first year law student could get you out of that charge. "Oh, the FIREARM has a serial number, therefore (A) wasn't violated." Such is the difference a couple of commas make....

With Illinois, being Illinois, I'm actually betting that sometime during this "spring session" we'll see the phrase "ghost gun" appear in a piece of legislature, despite there being virtually NO homicides with long guns in this state, year after year after year.

Also, you were right about that Arizona one; that's a doozy. That's more restrictive than handgun storage requirements in Illinois, even. (Here, it's only a crime if the child gains access to a handgun and then uses it to cause serious bodily injury or death).
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Yes, same thoughts in my head. The language of that is so sloppy a first year law student could get you out of that charge. "Oh, the FIREARM has a serial number, therefore (A) wasn't violated." Such is the difference a couple of commas make....
Sloppy wasn't exqactly the word I would use to be honest.

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With Illinois, being Illinois, I'm actually betting that sometime during this "spring session" we'll see the phrase "ghost gun" appear in a piece of legislature, despite there being virtually NO homicides with long guns in this state, year after year after year.
I was going to mention that and you are right, there's actually a new one today from NJ that doesn't use the term but it's the same thing.... LOL

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Also, you were right about that Arizona one; that's a doozy. That's more restrictive than handgun storage requirements in Illinois, even. (Here, it's only a crime if the child gains access to a handgun and then uses it to cause serious bodily injury or death).
Actually had someone on our FB page that is normally very pro-gun arguing that that was a good bill. The language in that is so vague almost anyone could get charged
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Old February 2, 2014, 11:35 AM   #62
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Well it's a Maryland kind of day with new bills:

HB720 would remove the requirement for training (for a carry permit) for renewals, for those the hold a valid out of state permit where the person had to complete a firearms safety course and a qualified handgun instructor

HB715 would completely remove section 5-131, no longer requiring manufacturers to supply a spent shell from the handgun

HB717 would remove the live fire requirement for issuance of a handgun qualification license

HB719 removes those who received 'probation before judgment' from the definitions of prohibited persons

These bills came in with no text so you might want to add them to your watch list:

HB800 Handgun Permits - Training Requirement for Renewal Applications

SB729 Permit to Carry, Wear, or Transport a Handgun - Qualifications

SB731 Firearms - Prohibition on Provision of Information

SB758 Assault Weapons - Firearms Collector - Possession

SB768 Regulated Firearms - License Issued by Another State - Reciprocity

SB728 Licensed Firearms Dealers - Background Checks

http://amgoa.org/Proposed-Maryland-Gun-Laws
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Old February 3, 2014, 01:50 AM   #63
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Most notable (bad) is SB556 which requires reporting of lost or stolen firearms ... the language in 319.515 'owner should have been aware' is dangerous at best.
I hope not! Que-ball Quinn already saddled us with that piece of garbage in Illinois!
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Old February 4, 2014, 11:23 AM   #64
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New today:

Arizona SB1456 would require all sales of all firearms to go through a licensed dealer

Florida S0818 rewords 790.0655 in regards to the 3-day mandatory waiting period, it appears in an attempt to make all transfers included ... need a lawyer figure out the real meaning of this one I think

Indiana SR0018 adds new sections to chapter 16 (possession and transportation of firearms on state property), adding in 'Except as provided in section 5 of this chapter, a state 30 agency may not regulate the possession or transportation of firearms, ammunition, or firearm accessories: (1) on land that is; or (2) in buildings and other structures that are; owned or leased by the state.'
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HB715 would completely remove section 5-131, no longer requiring manufacturers to supply a spent shell from the handgun
Are they talking about the ones that come with some new guns that go to the new owner, or do they have to supply the state with a spent piece of brass? If the former, I didn't realize that was a law in some places. I figured they did that as a nice way of saying "yep, the gun works..see? no lemon here"
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Nothing new from IL; they were all too busy congratulating themselves and giving oratories about how great they are as people today. (First day in session, in IL.)

"Point of personal privilege" was the theme of the day.

EDIT: nevermind. Saw a bunch of bills get introduced at the end of the day. Currently tabulating...
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Old February 4, 2014, 07:41 PM   #67
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ILLINOIS

SB2969 - Amends IL concealed carry so that it doesn't diminish or restricts carrying under other acts (e.g. law enforcement retired, security guards, etc)

SB2970 - adds "regulation" definition to FOID act (presumably for pre-emptive language elsewhere?)

SB2994 - Provides that if grants are available to the Department of State Police for this purpose, the Department shall develop and maintain a website and database containing certain information about firearm discharge incidents in public places derived from local incident reports submitted by the law enforcement agency to the Department of State Police on a secure website such as LEADS.

HB4574 - 5 year suspension of Firearm Owner's Identification Card of a person who has been convicted of a third violation of the provision of the Criminal Code of 2012 that makes it an offense for a person who possesses or acquires a firearm and thereafter loses the firearm, or if the firearm is stolen from the person, to fail to report the loss or theft to the local law enforcement agency within 72 hours after obtaining knowledge of the loss or theft.

HB4619 - Provides that a non-resident applicant for a new license or renewal shall submit $150 (rather than $300) with the application, of which $120 (rather than $250) shall be apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $20 (rather than $40) shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and $10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund

HB4620 - Provides that a licensee who presents his or her license to a law enforcement officer who initiates an investigative stop, or a non-resident who presents evidence under the Act that he or she is a non-resident qualified to carry to the officer, shall be deemed to have disclosed that he or she is carrying a concealed firearm as required under the Act.
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Haven't seen anything, good or bad, out of the Michigan legislature.
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We are still waiting for the SBR/SBS bill to get out of the House committee. After it passed the Senate with only 5 dissenting votes.
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New today:

Pennsylvania HB2011 would allow anyone 'adversely effected' by a local law that is found to be in violation of preemption laws to sue and receive damages

New York S06536 requires dealers to take and hold photo identification while a potential customer is holding a firearm

Missouri SB819 is called the 'Fourth Amendment Protection Act' and includes a section prohibiting state agencies and school boards from soliciting any information about firearm ownership

West Virginia HJR105 is a joint resolution to resolve the state constitution to add ' The state or any of its subdivisions may not maintain any list or registry of firearms owned by residents of West Virginia.'

Utah HB0075S01 would set up provisions for the restoration of gun rights for nonviolent felons under certain circumstances

South Dakota

HB1229 sets up regulations for reporting those involuntarily committed to NICS and a means to petition the court to have firearm rights restored

HB1211 would add language to existing law making it legal to possess a firearm in a vehicle to any person that is entitled to possess a firearm in their home 'in which he or she has the primary possessory interest'

HB1253 would revise preemption laws along with making it a class 5 felony for 'Any agent, employee, or person acting under the authority of any governmental entity who violates' said preemption

Trent beat me to the new Illinois ones
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Heck, keeping up with Illinois is almost a full time job anymore.

37 firearms related bills are on the books already this year... and they've only been in session 2 days.
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Heck, keeping up with Illinois is almost a full time job anymore.

37 firearms related bills are on the books already this year... and they've only been in session 2 days.
Try keeping up with 50 states and the federal government!

Oh and NJ has you beat by a long shot, damn near 70 bills in the new session so far.
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Try keeping up with 50 states and the federal government!

Oh and NJ has you beat by a long shot, damn near 70 bills in the new session so far.
Holy crap. You can almost gauge how restrictive infringing a state is on firearms by the amount of legislation that gets submitted.
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Holy crap. You can almost gauge how restrictive infringing a state is on firearms by the amount of legislation that gets submitted.
We live 25 miles from the NJ border, and my wife still has family in NJ and we do anything we can to avoid going there and when we do go we have to 'sweep' the car to make sure there's NOTHING in it ... a single bullet in the car can land you in jail, I kid you not.
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New in Illinois; yet more ways to screw with us. Read HB4715. It's a doozy.


HB4682 - Removes DOT "rest areas" from prohibited places for CCL.

HB4686 - Adds damage award if a home rule unit violates the preemption clause for businesses by foring them to ban concealed carry in their establishments, beyond what state law calls for.

HB4712 - Adds " accessories, components, attachments, or parts" to pre-emption language, preventing cities from passing ordinances prohibiting people from carrying certain components of handguns (high capacity magazines, extra magazines, speedloaders, flashlight attachments, etc).

HB4715 - oh my. I'm priting the entire preamble:

Creates the Firearms Registration Act. Provides that every person in the State must register each firearm he or she owns or possesses in accordance with the Act. Provides that a person shall not purchase or possess ammunition within this State without having first obtained a registration certificate identifying a firearm that is suitable for use with that ammunition, or a receipt demonstrating that the person has applied to register a suitable firearm under the Act and that the application is pending. Provides that the Department of State Police must complete a background check of any person who applies for: (1) a registration certificate for a firearm that was lawfully owned or possessed on the effective date of the Act, was brought into the State by a new resident, or was acquired by operation of law upon the death of the former owner; or (2) a renewal of a registration certificate unless, within 12 months of the date the renewal application is submitted, the applicant passed a background check conducted by the Department in connection with the applicant's acquisition of another firearm. Provides exceptions. Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that it is a Class 2 felony to sell or transfer ownership of a firearm to another person without complying with the registration requirement of the Firearms Registration Act.

HB4722 - Deletes provision prohibiting a licensee from knowingly carrying a firearm into a public park.

HB4753 - Provides for the regulation of handgun dealers through licensure by the Department of Financial and Professional Regulation. Provides that no person may sell or otherwise transfer, expose for sale or transfer, or have in his or her possession with the intent to sell or transfer any concealable firearm without being licensed under the Act.

HB4754 - Creates the offense of unlawful use of a three-dimensional printer to create a firearm. Provides that a person commits the offense when he or she uses a three-dimensional printer to create a firearm, or any piece or part of a firearm, unless the person possesses a license to manufacture firearms under the federal Gun Control Act of 1968

HB4779 - (reverses posting requirements) Provides that a person shall not carry a concealed firearm onto private real property of any type without prior permission from the property owner. Provides that a real property owner shall indicate permission to carry concealed firearms onto the property by clearly and conspicuously posting a sign at the entrance of a building, premises, or real property under his or her control, except this posting is not required if the property is a private residence. Provides that the sign shall be at least 4 inches by 6 inches in size (rather than exactly that size).
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