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Old November 12, 2014, 02:05 AM   #1
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AF2011 vs Mag Cap. restrictions?

Aside from costing a prohibitive amount, how would the mag/mags fair against restriction laws? Would the one base plate constitute one mag or would the two separate towers stand apart from each other? In reality, there is one mag per barrel even though they are fired together.
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Old November 12, 2014, 11:40 PM   #2
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That pistol can accept a single conventional 1911 mag in each mag well. The legality of the OEM double mag would depend upon the interpretation of the responsible agency or courts of each state with capacity limitations. So, it might be legal in CA, but illegal in NY, or vice versa. And for those unfamiliar the AF2011 is the name of that funky two 1911 pistols siamesed into one thing - http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/produ...-barrel-pistol. I had to google it myself to put the name with the face.
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Old November 13, 2014, 01:55 AM   #3
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I wouldn't mind owning one of those buggers, myself. Darned if I have THAT kind of money laying around, though. Yet...

It always amuses me, though, to read the advertising hype on these things:

"... 2 bullets for a total of 460 Grains weight impacting at 1 to 2 inches apart (depending on the distance of the target) will knock down a bull..."

I'd like to see a bull get knocked down by a mere two rounds of .45 ACP.




But other than the hype...I think this is one beautiful, if unusual, design.
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Old November 13, 2014, 01:46 PM   #4
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Very eagerly wating for the news of first man who got shot with that.
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Old November 15, 2014, 11:44 AM   #5
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I was picking up a rifle from the FFL that does my transfers a few months ago and the legality of this pistol (in NY) came up. While I was filling out my 4473, the FFL called the NYS SAFE Act hotline and asked about transferring an AF2011for a customer. The officer staffing the hotline responded the double mag was ok, but the pistols weight was in excess of 50oz, therefore it was considered an "assault weapon" by NYS. One caveat to this story is that the SAFE Act hotline is notorious for giving out different responses depending upon who answers the phone!
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Old November 16, 2014, 02:36 AM   #6
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Very eagerly wating for the news of first man who got shot with that.
I'm awaiting the news of the first bull that gets shot with one.
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Old November 16, 2014, 03:37 AM   #7
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I wouldn't mind owning one of those buggers, myself. Darned if I have THAT kind of money laying around, though. Yet...

It always amuses me, though, to read the advertising hype on these things:

"... 2 bullets for a total of 460 Grains weight impacting at 1 to 2 inches apart (depending on the distance of the target) will knock down a bull..."

I'd like to see a bull get knocked down by a mere two rounds of .45 ACP.




But other than the hype...I think this is one beautiful, if unusual, design.
If this thing was chambered in 460 rowland, two hot loaded rounds might do it
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Old November 17, 2014, 01:27 AM   #8
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460 Rowland? Just a barrel swap to go from 45 to 460? Seems like it should be possible.
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Old November 17, 2014, 04:18 PM   #9
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Seems like it'd run afoul of the machine gun laws, since it fires two shots with one trigger pull. Yes there are two trigger levers but they're welded together so it's really one.
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Old November 17, 2014, 05:22 PM   #10
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Seems like it'd run afoul of the machine gun laws, since it fires two shots with one trigger pull. Yes there are two trigger levers but they're welded together so it's really one.
We went round and round on this on one of the gun boards I'm on when it first came out. Seemes that the consensus is: The triggers are not welded together. They claim it uses a stock "sear group". It looks as if each trigger operates independently, but the hammer is one piece. i.e. each trigger must be pulled at the same time to release both independant sears and drop a single hammer. kinda like a doublebarrel that ONLY goes off when both triggers are pulled at the same time.

And that's how they got around it. I haven't seen ATF's letter (if they have one) but they are selling them, and at least one has made it on TV, so it seems they got around it somehow.
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