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Old February 23, 2014, 03:15 PM   #1
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Multiple Bullets Stuck in Barrel (factory loads even!)

So I was shooting moly coated lead bullets (factory) in my bolt action .308 rifle. At first I thought I was missing the target but it appears the bullets were getting stuck in the barrel. There may be 3-4 of them in there.

Any ideas on how I can get them out? I bought some 9/32" brass rods for pushing stuff through but i'm going to need to drill some out as they are stacked in there.

An ideas? I'm considering using a 9/32" brass tube as a guide bushing and then welding a drill bit to a steel rod that can fit inside the brass tube. Once that is done I can find a brass auger (help!?! where do I find one!?!?) to grab the lead and pull it out. A slide hammer will be used to pull it out.

Kroil oil to help things slide better.

This is not a stainless barrel so dip and Sweet 7.62 are off limits.

Yea I know a new barrel may be easier but I love a good challenge.
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Old February 23, 2014, 03:17 PM   #2
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No Kaboom?
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Old February 23, 2014, 03:20 PM   #3
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I would seriously consider a new barrel; there's gotta be a reason those rounds are getting stuck (out of spec barrel?), and I'd worry about that barrel blowing up on the next shot. Plus, that bore has to be ringed with multiple rounds stuck in there, so it will likely have accuracy problems, right?
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Old February 23, 2014, 03:40 PM   #4
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Factory moly coated lead .308 ammo?

Bullets stacked in a rifle barrel and no KaBoom?

The facts don't add up
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Old February 23, 2014, 03:49 PM   #5
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No they don't
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Old February 23, 2014, 03:51 PM   #6
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Remove barrel from receiver.

Clamp barrel in arbor press.

Fabricate steel sleeve to act as guide within chamber.

Obtain steel rod that is just slightly less than diameter of bore from land-to-land.

Insert solid steel rod through chamber until it contacts obstruction.

Use arbor press to push rod though bore.

You may need to insert the rod in segments in order to prevent rod from bowing excessively as force is applied by arbor press.
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Old February 23, 2014, 03:53 PM   #7
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Well, I've never reloaded 308 winchester.

Shotgun = yes
9mm = yes
40 cal = yes

300 BLK = about to start

308 = never attempted it. Don't even have the tools to do it.

I sent in the barrel sans trigger and stock to be threaded for a suppressor and this is what the gun smith is telling me. He used a bore scope. So he either put them there (w/o most of the rifle parts) or the lead bullets are the moly coats I shot.

Yes, there's no kaboom and no barrel bulge. It's a bull barrel Savage 10 FP.

I'm not here to discuss conspiracy theory or how I may of won the powerball of impossible feats. I don't see anything productive coming out of that conversation.

If these are bullets I want to figure out a way to get them out. If the barrel isn't safe then that's a different discussion I'm willing to discuss.
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Old February 23, 2014, 03:59 PM   #8
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Where did you get factory ammo loaded with moly coated lead?
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:02 PM   #9
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Care to share the load you were using??

Power type?
Charge weight?

That you didn't blow a case and wreck the rifle is nothing short of a miracle.

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Old February 23, 2014, 04:04 PM   #10
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If the barrel isn't safe then that's a different discussion I'm willing to discuss.
I wouldn't be comfortable shooting a centerfire rifle that had been fired with a bore obstruction at some time in the past unless the barrel had been replaced since the incident and the rest of the gun had been carefully checked out by a gunsmith.

I'm also very curious about the moly-coated lead bullet .308 ammunition. I didn't know any commercial manufacturer was selling non-jacketed .308 ammunition.
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:04 PM   #11
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If it was me I would just try to hammer them back out using that brass rod you have. Spray some oil down the breech of the barrel and than some oil through the top of the bore. Now put that brass rod through the top of the bore and start knocking them lead slugs out. If you have a lead hammer or maybe a rawhide hammer they wont bevel the edge on that brass rod. Lead is soft and they should come out.
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:06 PM   #12
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Got any mercury? Mercury will amalgamate lead. Just fill the barrel or chamber end with mercury (it will take a bit to fill the barrel) and then just wait.
Just be very careful not to spill any or dribble it on yourself or you might end up with a superfund site......
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:08 PM   #13
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It simply sounds strange. Three to four 30 caliber bullets stuck in the barrel, no indication that the shooter noticed, 3-4 rounds of factory ammo with apparently no powder, shooter not realizing they shot 3-4 squib loads taken together causes people to question.
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:12 PM   #14
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Getting them out is nothing more than a process, the right tools, that if done correctly, should play out fairly routine.

That said, how in the heck do multiple high powered rifle rounds stack up in a barrel without some form of a KB? This is a first of this type incident that I've ever heard of not ending with a big nasty KB.

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Old February 23, 2014, 04:17 PM   #15
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Any pictures? This would definitely be a first in my book
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:17 PM   #16
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Well, I've never reloaded 308 winchester.

Shotgun = yes
9mm = yes
40 cal = yes

300 BLK = about to start

308 = never attempted it. Don't even have the tools to do it.

I sent in the barrel sans trigger and stock to be threaded for a suppressor and this is what the gun smith is telling me. He used a bore scope. So he either put them there (w/o most of the rifle parts) or the lead bullets are the moly coats I shot.

Yes, there's no kaboom and no barrel bulge. It's a bull barrel Savage 10 FP.

I'm not here to discuss conspiracy theory or how I may of won the powerball of impossible feats. I don't see anything productive coming out of that conversation.

If these are bullets I want to figure out a way to get them out. If the barrel isn't safe then that's a different discussion I'm willing to discuss.
The more you say, the less sense any of it makes.
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:22 PM   #17
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I think beating on lead is only going to make them swell and stick tighter. A gunsmith should have a drill for relining barrels of a lesser caliber that could be used to drill the center of the bullets from the breech end, which would relieve some of the pressure and perhaps allow them to be pulled, although I am of the belief that a screw type puller also acts as a wedge to expand the bullet as it is inserted. If there are multiple bullets in the bore with no damage then that is one tough barrel so you should be able to get pretty aggressive with it. Once you have it out maybe heating the whole thing to above the melting point of the lead would be the easiest and least destructive.

Is/was the suppressor on it? How far down the barrel from the breech is the obstruction located?
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:38 PM   #18
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No doubt in my mind that any kind of hydraulic arbor press will be able to push a steel rod through that barrel.
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:53 PM   #19
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I want to know the maker of the rifle.
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Old February 23, 2014, 04:56 PM   #20
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I want to know the maker of the rifle.
read the thread!
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Old February 23, 2014, 05:07 PM   #21
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The more you say, the less sense any of it makes.
Trust me, I'm as baffled as you guys.

The loads were either Remington or Winchester. I bought them a long time ago. Will try and see if I have the box when I get home. But all I shoot 308 wise is military surplus or brand name ammo.

Gun smith says he poked the end of the bullet and left a dent so he's 100% sure it's lead bullets and not FMJ.

I'll know more once I get this stuff out. I've given you guys all the info I have. Again, I'm as baffled as you guys so only time (and hard work) will tell.
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Old February 23, 2014, 05:10 PM   #22
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No doubt in my mind that any kind of hydraulic arbor press will be able to push a steel rod through that barrel.
The gunsmith recommended using a brass plunger and filling up the barrel with water. I can't find an exact size brass rod. Closest I can find is 0.28125"
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Old February 23, 2014, 05:15 PM   #23
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How far past the chamber throat are the bullets? What make of rifle?

I'm thinking drilling using some sort of protective sleeve about the drill bit.
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Old February 23, 2014, 05:22 PM   #24
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Stuck mid way down. Savage 10 FP w/ bull barrel.
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Old February 23, 2014, 05:39 PM   #25
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Clutch, I want to dril. How is the question.
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