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Old July 20, 2014, 04:38 PM   #1
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Shooters Need To Become Gun Business Starters

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The sooner we go Neville Chamberlain on this the sooner they'll go Adolf Hitler on something else. Compromise buys us nothing but emboldened enemies. Let them come, let us politic, let us see the wolves in sheep's clothing so we know who not to vote for.

Every penny they pour into the fight is one they will likely have to match. The fiercer our resolve the more likely they'll look for something else easier to desecrate the Constitution about. And should they turn their backs, we should strike for more restoration of the 2nd Amendment.

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Old July 20, 2014, 05:00 PM   #2
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We are already doing this now. We are currently investing in our pastime and goods. Look Ruger and S&W stock prices. Now they may not make AKs but if the market warrants it someone will step up and do it. Look the shooing publics response to them on social media.
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Old July 20, 2014, 05:13 PM   #3
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NOT LEGAL ADVICE:

You may want to look into the current restrictions regarding crowd-sourced funding where monetary returns are promised/offered/hoped for. You may well learn that the law would treat your offering as a security and essentially prohibit you from offering it in such small chunks to "non-qualified" investors.
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Old July 20, 2014, 05:17 PM   #4
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There are already several companies making 100% US built AK's. The executive order only bans the imports of newly made guns by the Kalashnikov concern. You can still get AK pattern rifles from many other countries. Add that to a fairly stagnant market, one would be hard pressed to enter the market and make a profit.
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Old July 20, 2014, 05:20 PM   #5
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With this latest executive order I figured it was time to poke the water and see if folks understood how much we have to start organizing and coming together.

So let me put out this hypothetical. If you could contribute $20 a month towards an investment vehicle (with a designed investment return) where the investment vehicle created a company setup to manufacture cheap AK variants. Would you do it?

Now as a contributor/investor you would want to contribute to the company's social media exposure (because it would mean a possible return on your investment), and possibly review the products yourself. This would help the potential for success even more.

You would in essence be bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, and the business would pay (because that to me would be the smart move)at least twice minimum wage to its employees and cap its highest paid employees at $120,000 a year with profit sharing being the motivation for all employees to excel and succeed. Mind you if the contributors/investors take part in getting the word out and engage social media sufficiently, the need for overvalued executives starts to dissipate rather quickly.

At home AK variant builders know that AK variants are one of the easiest platforms to make at home with basic tools and some grey matter. But when you start bringing in CNC Mills, CNC Lathes, Industrial kilns, oh boy does it get even easier. Think forged receivers instead of stamped receivers (though stamped receivers would be kept in the loop for economy models).

The best part about the AK variant platform is the ability to build it in various pistol calibers (because rifle size pistol caliber rifles seem to be making a come back, especially if they will take Glock mags), as well as rifle calibers (hmm can anyone say .223, .300 Blackout, 6.8 SPC, .243 Win, and yes .30-30, the ability for modular assembly/disassembly makes it even more interesting). And they can easily be made to be California compliant as well as New York compliant (with fixed magazines and top loading 5 round strip clip options if you borrow from the VZ 58 design).

So, should we the Shooters be doing this? Should we be investing in our own past time and consumer goods? And if so, why aren't we?
Wow, in the last post you made about MagnumDweeb's Magical Imaginary RKBA-saving Investment Trust™ just minutes ago, it was only $1 a month. Now it's $20?

You keep promising this amazing trust that will allow, "serious activists to organize for the creation and investment in gun and ammo manufacturing, RKBA based litigation and politicking, and quality job creation", you just need to our money so it can take off. Of course, before you were pitching a trust to take over California politics and provide guns to poor people.

So far, all of these trusts seem to include dividends to the members and no overhead, since everyone involved in managing the trust is doing it for free.

I'm always leery when someone has an amazing new business model that is going to solve a bunch of problems and all they need is a big pile of money to make it work, especially when it relies on getting 20 million people to pony up the money.

It's almost as if you learned about trusts in law school and suddenly every issue is just a nail for your trust hammer. If you only you could get someone to pay for that hammer.

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Old July 20, 2014, 05:34 PM   #6
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So this thread is an attempt to get investors for OP. If he has to come to an internet message board for financial backing, i wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole
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Old July 22, 2014, 01:59 PM   #7
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Old July 22, 2014, 07:17 PM   #8
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I take it you are still feeling out this activism/finance organization amalgamation concept? The problem you are/will encounter is the two goals of the organization are fundamentally at odds with each other; I suggest you address this problem before your next pitch. The financial aspect must remain interested in the clients' financial stakes above all else, and that means it will conflict with the 'charitable' or altruistic goals. The financial aspect must also control the purse strings of the group's resources in order to remain effective (or the other groups will rapidly blow through their cash chasing their non-economic goals) and is also the most qualified portion of the group to do so.

The result is a "gun bank" will rapidly dwindle its gun operations to the point of any other financial institution, or it will be a morass of internal power struggles, that ultimately, will favor the banking goals anyway.

If you wanna help gunnies at large through American capitalism, found a venture capitalist firm that will invest in startup firearms companies, and lobby for removal of legal barriers to their thrivance (the NRA isn't nearly as active in this facet of gun law, being much more focused on the restrictions effecting members rather than small businesses). Heck, expand it into a credit agency specializing in the gun industry.

But to be honest, it's all a moot point unless you can round up a cadre of incredibly wealthy people to chip in enough seed money to make the project worthwhile. And to be further honest, the fact that some enterprising chaps who do this sort of growth investing for a living aren't already doing this should be an indication that there may be no "there", there. And to be further-est honest, hitting up people anonymously over the internet is about the most foolish way to go about this. Start with your local rich guys or business tycoons, and see if you can form any personal/professional relationships toward this goal with them, before hitting up the world at large like a flim-flammer

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