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Old April 2, 2004, 06:53 PM   #1
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.22lr Accuracy at 100 Yards

What kind of accuracy can one expect from a very good .22lr rifle at 100 yards?

I know they'll shoot 1 MOA at 50, but does it fall apart after that?
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Old April 2, 2004, 07:15 PM   #2
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Seen 1 MOA from three CZ 22s with match subsonic ammo. I get pretty close to 1MOA with my stock Remington 597 using Wolf extra match. Seems more about the ammo than the rifle, but I don't fool around with rimfire stuff too much.
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Old April 2, 2004, 07:22 PM   #3
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Depends on so much! I used to shoot outdoor comps with an old BSA MkII ... all tricked out ...... it was at 25 and 50 but .. did explore the 100 yd deal just for fun.

IF wind minimal then once dialed in it would hold very tight .. definitely MOA.

Other than a specialized gun tho, rather doubt it. I have a Mauser Obendorfe (1920's, heavy rifle) ..... now that will produce probably 1 1/2 to 2 MAO at 100 ... repeatedly .. but again ... the wind will be what opens the group - or not. Also yeah, halfways decent ammo, that suits the rifle .... will be essential.
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Old April 2, 2004, 07:39 PM   #4
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100yd Frustration Exercise-

Hello,
up until recently the bragging rights 100yd groups fired from any position anygun/ammo was 1/2MOA.....then someone from rimfirecentral palmed me some of the Wolf Match Target.....five shots into .317 duly witnessed by the range officers...
The gun is a customized Ruger 10-22 Target, 16in. barrel, custom chamber etc, etc.
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Old April 2, 2004, 07:52 PM   #5
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I shoot a ruger 77/22 varmint out to 200 yards and can hit a clay pigeon every time. I am not sure of the exact diameter of a clay but I can hit at that distance every shot.
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Old April 2, 2004, 08:54 PM   #6
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22LR zero

Just wondering from your guys experiance, if I zero my 10/22 for 25yards how low will it be hitting at 50yards and 100yards?
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Old April 2, 2004, 09:56 PM   #7
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Fella's;

A subject near & dear to my heart. I used to shoot NRA indoor smallbore, but haven't for years. Now it's gopher shooting. In Montana the 'gopher' is actually either a Richardson's or Cascade ground squirrel. Think a 1/2 size prairie dog & you've got it.

The action is fast & furious, burning a brick a day is not at all unheard of. Shots vary from 5 feet to 125 yards or more & anywhere inbetween, or longer. Consequently, I zero my .22's for 100 yards & compensate with mil-dots for under/over that distance.

Mil-dot scopes are a godsend for this type of shooting. There is no time to twist knobs.

In any case, to answer the question. Minute of gopher is perfectly possible without breaking the bank. Careful ammo testing & selection will do more for your accuracy than just about anything else. In my two best guns, Winchester Power-Points do best. P-P is not quite as good as dedicated target ammo, but VERY close. One is a full-on, done in Carroll Iowa, Volquartsen & the other is a Ruger 77/22.

Either will produce regular, repeatable, hits at 100 yards. Sorry, after doing ammo testing, which is about once a year, I don't shoot paper. No group sizes, don't care. Field hits are what count now.

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Old April 2, 2004, 09:57 PM   #8
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mastinson .. ages since I did just that .. these days I am set for 50 yds and at 25 it is close enough to be ''useful'' ... in critter terms! Drp from 25 to 50 is relatively modest - it's after that things go very ''parabolic''!

IIRC, if I go 50 from 100, I have aim high approx 6.5 inches. This is with Fed bulk box BTW.
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Old April 2, 2004, 10:40 PM   #9
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OK, so, in my paper-punching world, it sounds like I can keep groups small enough at 100 yards to keep things interesting.

I was originally going back and forth between .223 and .308, but .22lr will do most of what I want from .223, and it'll make .308 an easy choice, centerfire-wise.
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Old April 2, 2004, 10:48 PM   #10
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With my CZ 452, I can hit the little round black stickers at 100 yards pretty consistantly.
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Old April 2, 2004, 11:56 PM   #11
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Depends on the rifle/ammo combination. To find the brand of ammo that'll shoot extremely well out of any .22 rifle(and your definition of good) means you have to try as many brands as you can find.
I'm guessing you're not talking about low end .22 rifles or ammo either. Cheap ammo means less accuracy. Just as shooting it out of a cheap rilfe does.
If you're only getting 1 MOA at 50, you need better ammo, trigger or sights. Off a bench. Testing for accuracy any other way doesn't count. Too many variables, starting with the shooter. A good .22 is no different than a good .308. It needs good sights, trigger and barrel.
Tell us what rifle you're looking at using. It makes a difference.
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Old April 3, 2004, 01:51 AM   #12
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HA!

I can pop golfballs @ 100yds with a near-stock 10/22 topped with a 4x scope using el-cheapo Federal Lightning 22lr. The Volquartsen hammer helps tremendously lighten the trigger pull. It is tedious because it requires the rifle be benchrested, I use exactly the correct amount of holdover, I hold my breath, and there is no wind.

At 50yds, no golfball is safe, even rapid fire.
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Old April 3, 2004, 09:28 AM   #13
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It’s been many years since I did any experimenting with 22LR past 75 yds., but my experience parallels the others. I did find that ammunition that looked good at 25 or 50 yds. could change dramatically at 100 or 125 yds. One thing that seemed to matter was not having ammo that went trans-sonic at mid range. It could have been just coincidental, but the hypervelocity and sub-sonic target loads worked best at 100 yds. plus for me.
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Old April 3, 2004, 09:50 AM   #14
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Accuracy does tend to drop off more at 100 yards than at 50 yards IMO. I can get very tight little groups at 50 yards with my scoped CZ-452 but at 100 yards, it is more than double. I can still peg a sporting clay at 100 yards and break the pieces with every shot as long as they are good sized. I have put it on paper at 100 yards but I estimate 1 1/2"-2" on a non-windy day. At 50 yards, I have no problem getting sub 1" groups. At 25 yards I can put them all into a ragged hole.

A .22lr will reach out to 100 yards but there will be 3-5" of drop and it won't have much punch by that time if you are using target ammo. If you are using hyper velocity ammo, most likely, your groups are not going to be very good at that distance. 100 yards is pushing what the .22lr can do. It can kill at that distance and it can hit small objects but past 75 yards, it gets so much harder to do to both.
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Old April 3, 2004, 10:50 AM   #15
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We had a discussion of this on rimfire central recently, see here,

http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/sho...ght=trajectory

Basically, it is,,,,, If you sight-in for 59 yards, your bullets will only be +/- 1/2" from your POA [Point Of Aim] from 12 1/2 yards to 66 yards, and 1 1/4" low at 75 yards, and ~ 4 3/4" low at 100 yards. Your results may vary slightly.
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Old April 3, 2004, 01:28 PM   #16
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Mastinson,

Most 40 grain .22LR bullets have ballistic coefficients between 0.120 and 0.165 with muzzle velocities from 1085 feet per second to 1312 feet per second. Take those numbers to

http://www.norma.cc/htm_files/javapagee.htm

and play with the sliders. Your ammo box should give you the muzzle velocity for your load. If the packaging does not indicate B.C., post, PM, or email what you have, and I’ll respond with info from the ammo library I have.

Remember, always, that empirical results trump theory and calculations and shoot a few tests of your own.

Anyone know who sells Eley Rabbit HV Solid (EL22HVS)? 40gr @ 1312fps and B.C.= 0.223.
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Old July 13, 2009, 06:28 PM   #17
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Smile 22 LR Accuracy at 100 Yards....

I believe I could write volumes on .22 LR Accuracy at 100 yards. Instead of doing this at the moment, I will say it is possible to shoot 7/8 inch groups consistently with the right ammo and rifle. I have been trying for a one hole group (5 rounds) for years and still have not been able to do it on a regular basis. My favorite rifle for 100 yd. 22 LR competition is a Ruger 77/22 receiver, a 21 Lilja SS .920 barrel, and an crisp after market trigger with a 2 pound pull . The ammo my barrel likes best is the Lapua Master L. I can shoot 7/8 groups consistently with this rifle but almost do as good with a Mossburg 44 us(d) with Lapua ammo. Only thing I do not like about the combination is the pricey ammo.

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Old July 13, 2009, 06:45 PM   #18
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I know they'll shoot 1 MOA at 50, but does it fall apart after that?
they can actually do a lot better than that.
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Old July 13, 2009, 07:22 PM   #19
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Did this with a 6yr old stock Marlin 7000 and Wolf Target ammo at 100 yards:


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Old July 13, 2009, 09:14 PM   #20
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Nice Shot Go Time

That's about as good a group as I can get with a Marlin 60 and standard ammunition. Unless you're competing, other calibers seem more fun than 22s with paper targets. 22s, on the other hand, are great for punishing cans and plastic bottles from afar.
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Old July 13, 2009, 09:29 PM   #21
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i just noticed that we were all answering a question thats over 5 years old
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Old July 13, 2009, 09:43 PM   #22
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Yea, and it's called necroposting.
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Old July 13, 2009, 10:14 PM   #23
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Smile Old Question -

The question of 22 accuracy has been around much longer than the original posting. Probably as long as .22 LR has been around.

We have a group of about 20 shooters that have been shooting 100 yard on a SR-31 target for more years than I can remember. The norm for the good shooters is about a 7/8" group and any number of X's.

We have experimented with just about every ammo you can imagine available in the USA and generally only in higher end rifles. When I say higher end rifles I mean custom or the higher end Kimber or Anschutz. I also know some shooters that get the 7/8" groups with their stock CZ 452 American bolt action rifle.

I know exceptional accuracy is not unheard of in lower end .22 LR rifles, but consistentcy I believe is a function of quality control in the ammunition.

Same hole groups, lets say under .335" at 50 yards is just way to easy anymore after striving for extreme .22 LR accuracy at 100 yards for years.

Anyway to sum it all up, I do see sub MOA with a .22 LR at 100 yards all the time but never a same hole group on a consistent basis. I'll never say never but 100 yards is pushing the extreme accuracy envelope for .22 Long Rifle.
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Old July 13, 2009, 11:51 PM   #24
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I have a thompson contender with a super 14 match grade barrel
at 25 yds one hole with rem bulk ammo
at 50 yds 1/2 '' same ammo
at 100 it oppens up to 2 1/2 to 3'' same ammo with about 6 in of drop.
winchester super x it has around 4 to 5 in of drop and the same size of groop. the same with cci mini mag.
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Old July 14, 2009, 12:13 AM   #25
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