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Old October 20, 2014, 08:35 PM   #1
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$400 AR15s at Brownells

Parts kit for $350 with G4F coupon code:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...55-150395.aspx

Bushmaster lower for $49.
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod70749.aspx

Complete DIY AR15 for $400 even.
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Old October 20, 2014, 08:50 PM   #2
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*$370
But still a really good price.
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Old October 20, 2014, 08:58 PM   #3
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The G4F coupon code gets you a 7% discount on the whole order
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Old October 20, 2014, 09:01 PM   #4
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The G4F coupon code gets you a 7% discount on the whole order
Ah, check you out, you sly dog you

Hey Bart,
I know the receiver is stamped .223/556, but you can still use other calibers with this receiver like those marked Multi Cal?
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That must be quite the piece of junk.

Tapco barrel and Bushmaster BCG eh?

I'd pass, but that's just me.
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Old October 20, 2014, 09:19 PM   #6
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Yes, it is a standard AR lower (a Bushmaster), so you can use any caliber that uses that lower: 5.56, 6.5, 6.8, .30 AR, 7.62x35, .458, .50 Beowulf, etc.
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Old October 20, 2014, 09:52 PM   #7
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This makes sense. Given that the milspec sellers are at $600, the non-milspec sellers would drop prices accordingly. What a great time to buy.
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Old October 20, 2014, 10:06 PM   #8
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How would an AR cheaper than AK!!!
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Old October 20, 2014, 10:11 PM   #9
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This makes sense. Given that the milspec sellers are at $600, the non-milspec sellers would drop prices accordingly. What a great time to buy.
...no they aren't?
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Old October 20, 2014, 10:46 PM   #10
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This makes sense. Given that the milspec sellers are at $600, the non-milspec sellers would drop prices accordingly. What a great time to buy.
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...no they aren't?
I think what he means is that you can put together a mil spec or better rifle for about $600. For $400, you will have a rifle that shoots good enough for plinking/hunting. It obviously does not meet Mil Spec (aka minimum spec) for a combat rifle, but I dont honestly think that anyone with a $400 AR is expecting a high end rifle.

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Old October 20, 2014, 10:51 PM   #11
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I think what he means is that you can put together a mil spec or better rifle for about $600.
I don't think you can, but I'd be interested in seeing the links/parts breakdown for that. Prices are waaay down right now after all.
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Old October 20, 2014, 10:52 PM   #12
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I think what he means is that you can put together a mil spec or better rifle for about $600.
Thats what I figured he meant. I put together a PSA Premium M4 (mostly milspec parts) for around 600.

With those parts (the OP), I wouldn't trust my life to it but pretty cool you can build one for that cheap.
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Old October 20, 2014, 10:53 PM   #13
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Thats what I figured he meant. I put together a PSA Premium M4 (mostly milspec parts) for around 600.

With those parts (the OP), I wouldn't trust my life to it but pretty cool you can build one for that cheap.
Ignoring the quality of PSA in general, that "mostly" part is what I suspect of a $600 AR. It might be considered quality by the buyer/builder, and it might be a great rifle for them, but I'm not seeing a new $600 AR that meets the "mil spec"

It would be a great build to detail in this thread though, very relevant to the Brownells deal since it uses a freaking Tapco barrel and Bushmaster BCG


(I would take a PSA 'premium' rifle lonnnnng before this Brownells deal, FWIW)
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Old October 20, 2014, 11:01 PM   #14
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With PSA its pretty easy to get mil spec everything for about $600 watching their sales.

Rough prices for all mil spec parts:

Stripped lower- $55
Upper- $350
BCG- $89
Complete lower build kit- $85
Charging handle- $15

Total: $594
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Old October 20, 2014, 11:02 PM   #15
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Ignoring the quality of PSA in general, that "mostly" part is what I suspect of a $600 AR. It might be considered quality by the buyer/builder, and it might be a great rifle for them, but I'm not seeing a new $600 AR that meets the "mil spec"

It would be a great build to detail in this thread though, very relevant to the Brownells deal since it uses a freaking Tapco barrel and Bushmaster BCG


(I would take a PSA 'premium' rifle lonnnnng before this Brownells deal, FWIW)
Ya. I'm not 100% on what exactly we want to define as milspec, but from what I know of it the PSA is pretty close (at least all the stuff I can think of off hand it supposedly meets milspec). I went with PSA because of their good reputation (outside of shipping times) for the price, wasn't expecting a Colt or anything.
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Old October 20, 2014, 11:03 PM   #16
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With PSA its pretty easy to get mil spec everything for about $600 watching their sales.

Rough prices for all mil spec parts:

Stripped lower- $55
Upper- $350
BCG- $89
Complete lower build kit- $85
Charging handle- $15

Total: $594
You won't get "mil spec" at those prices, not even from PSA.

Just sayin'

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Ya. I'm not 100% on what exactly we want to define as milspec, but from what I know of it the PSA is pretty close (at least all the stuff I can think of off hand it supposedly meets milspec). I went with PSA because of their good reputation (outside of shipping times) for the price, wasn't expecting a Colt or anything.
For this context "mil spec" isn't too hard to define.

I dont' think PSA has a good reputation, even if you ignore shipping...but that is always a heated topic and we've done that a fair number of times already.
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Old October 20, 2014, 11:04 PM   #17
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You won't get "mil spec" at those prices.

Just sayin'
Your just plain simply wrong. Just sayin.
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Old October 20, 2014, 11:05 PM   #18
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Your just plain simply wrong. Just sayin.
Let's see the links.

Start with the $89 BCG and $85 complete LBK. I'd love to see those.
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Old October 20, 2014, 11:06 PM   #19
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With PSA its pretty easy to get mil spec everything for about $600 watching their sales.

Rough prices for all mil spec parts:

Stripped lower- $55
Upper- $350
BCG- $89
Complete lower build kit- $85
Charging handle- $15

Total: $594
Fwiw, this is exactly what I did and it came out to $584 at the time.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.../view/id/1213/

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...view/id/14183/
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Fwiw, this is exactly what I did and it came out to $584 at the time.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.../view/id/1213/

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...view/id/14183/
FWIW those aren't all mil-spec parts. We're getting into areas where people might say "well it's just as good as" or "well that part doesn't need to meet the spec", but if you want to say yes, it is mil spec, or no, it is not mil spec, a rifle made from those parts would not be mil spec.
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You won't get "mil spec" at those prices, not even from PSA.

Just sayin'



For this context "mil spec" isn't too hard to define.

I dont' think PSA has a good reputation, even if you ignore shipping...but that is always a heated topic and we've done that a fair number of times already.
Agree to disagree I suppose. When I was looking around they always came up as a great option for the price.
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FWIW those aren't all mil-spec parts. We're getting into areas where people might say "well it's just as good as" or "well that part doesn't need to meet the spec", but if you want to say yes, it is mil spec, or no, it is not mil spec, a rifle made from those parts would not be mil spec.
Not being snarky, I'm more curious, then what do you define as milspec? I know pretty much if its not made by Colt or FN some people will say it can't be milspec.
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Let's see the links.

Start with the $89 BCG and $85 complete LBK. I'd love to see those.
You simply have to watch the sales:

Lower build kit: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...view/id/10301/

The BCG isnt currently on as good a sale as when I purchased it (July 4th sale) http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...category/2203/

You can eat your hat now
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Not being snarky, I'm more curious, then what do you define as milspec? I know pretty much if its not made by Colt or FN some people will say it can't be milspec.
Well I wouldn't listen to those "some people", lots of manufacturers make very good rifles that meet or exceed the mil spec.

Common examples of places where some manufacturers save money:
Carbine weight buffer instead of H buffer
6061 aluminum on RE (vs 7075)
Bolt not shot peened C158, or not HPT/MPI
Barrel not even a 1:7 twist

There are rifles that exceed the spec, rifles that 'meet' the spec, rifles that are very arguably 'as good as' even though they are different, and rifles that simply cut corners to save money...of the ones that cut corners some will work just as well for the end user as a 'to spec rifle', some may not.

For example, having a 6061 receiver extension that is mil-spec diameter probably won't be something you ever notice. I'd rather have the 7075 with cold rolled (not cut) threads because it is stronger and it is better, but there's no rash of RE failures because of the 6000 series aluminum.

And you can probably use a C weight buffer and not notice, but long story short I and others would rather have the properly gassed carbine with the H buffer, especially as the round count starts to climb.

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You simply have to watch the sales:

Lower build kit: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...view/id/10301/

The BCG isnt currently on as good a sale as when I purchased it (July 4th sale) http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...category/2203/

You can eat your hat now
$110 =/= $59, you can eat your hat now.

I also guarantee that is a carbine weight buffer, not an H, you may eat your backup hat now.


Now, if you want to argue that those parts, which are still over $600 (this isn't July 4th), are "as good as" mil spec or "you won't notice the difference", you are more than welcome.

But the bottom line is that those parts are not to the 'mil spec' standard, which is to be expected for $600, which is why I said that I don't think you can build a 'mil spec' rifle for $600 new.
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OK, with those defined, which parts on my build do not meet your definition? Again, not being snarky and I apologize if it comes across that way. I'm new to ARs, so trying to learn. I know the carbine buffer, and I honestly may be getting an H buffer eventually as I have considered it.
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