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View Poll Results: Is your XDs your carry pistol?
Yes, I trust it. 60 89.55%
No, stays in the safe. 3 4.48%
Not yet. 4 5.97%
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Old May 5, 2014, 01:22 PM   #26
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Please share man. I really like mine and have been happy with SA, but not everyone has the same experience with the same company. All experiences should be shared.
I used to like mine and wish I still could. Also let me add that I love my XD45c and it's my go to handgun for things that go bump in the night. I'll try to keep this brief as possible, but it's a long story...

April of 2013 - Purchased a black on black XDs 45. Ran roughly 400 trouble free rounds through it between April and August. Factory hardball, LSWC handloads, berry's 230 grain plated handloads, Tula, Winchester PDX and Federal Hydrashocks using 5 and 7 round magazines. When I mean trouble free I mean 100% perfect trouble free. Strong hand, weak hand.. I tried to get the gun to malfunction and could not.

Sept 2013 - Thoroughly cleaned and sent in for recall.

January 2014 - After Springfield had my XDs for roughly the same amount of time I did, I got it back and gave it a quick cleaning. Trigger was terribly heavy but not crunchy like some people had. 1st time out I had several problems of not returning to battery accompanied by off center light strikes. Also had light on center strikes with the gun in battery. Had occasional feed issues as well.

Went home a bit disappointed with the situation - but determined to figure out the problems. Upon removing the striker assembly, I found a ton of goo and what were seemingly polymer shavings in the channel. Problem solved, so I thought....

Feb 2014 - Back to the range and same problems. Fail to feed, fire, and return to battery. Went to see my local smith who inspected the gun and found some more shavings and junk in the trigger assembly. He did a detailed clean for me. The gun was now spotless. Went back out the next day and had the same problems that seemingly got worse, not better. Luckily, this gun had a davidson's warranty and for a small shipping fee, they swapped me out for a brand new shiny post recall XDs.

March 2014 - Did my swap with Davidson's... They are a great company to work with. Got my new XDs, cleaned and went to the range. Hardball in a 5 round mag worked great! My POI was a bit low, but was more concerned with function. I could not feed hardball from the 7 round mags. I had failures with the nose coming up too high, nose dipping down to far or the slide cycling and never stripping the next round. No problems with the same ammo from 5 round mags, my LSWC handloads work perfectly in 5 round mags as well. 7 rd mags went out to Springfield, they said they were defective and I received 3 new ones back from them. These new 7 round mags are still terribly unreliable but they only have the nose up feed problem - some improvement at least. Lastly, the trigger was 9lbs 9 oz so I had my local smith install the PRP kit and put a PRP grip on the gun. Was a great improvement.

April 2014 - Time to try some hollow points - what a disappointment. PDX1 and Hydrashocks do not feed from the 5 round mags. LSWC and ball ammo is fine. Also, my Hornady XTP 230 grain handloads work just fine. I call Springfield and they do an RMA. Per their directions I sent the gun, both 5 round mags and the original springs. I enclosed a detailed letter with a packing list. I get the gun back a week later, filthy, and they say no problem found. Also, I only got one mag back and no springs. At least they changed the rear sight so my POI is now pretty much dead on.

After a run around and some phone tag, I get a call from the tech who 'tested' the gun who tells me that I never send the additional mag or springs and basically accused me of lying to him. He claims he never got the letter/packing list either. When I asked him why he changed the rear sight then he had no response. He damn well got the letter and packing list, I think he just misplaced my additional mag and springs. After some more run around, they say they can't find my original packaging mag or springs and they will not replace them. A few more rounds of phone tag and they finally agreed to send me a 5 round mag but the springs are "restricted".

Now I've lost patience... Here's my most recent email to Springfield. Supposedly they have escalated to upper management but I haven't received a response as of yet......

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You can disregard the portion about sending a tracking number. I received one earlier this afternoon.

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Even though you were not able to resolve 2 out of 3 of my issues, I wanted to again thank you for all the time and effort you put into our conversation earlier today. I wanted to also take this opportunity to document and recap our conversation regarding my 3 outstanding problems.

1. Springfield is unable to locate the springs that accompanied my pistol to the repair shop. Springfield will never be able to find them and is unwilling to replace them. I will not be compensated in any way, shape or form for this.

2. Springfield is unable to locate the additional magazine that accompanied my pistol to the repair shop. Springfield will be sending me a replacement 5 round magazine. Please send me the tracking number for this at your earliest convenience.

3. Springfield is unwilling to fix the problems with the feed ramp in my pistol. This should be a factory repair at no cost to me - but Springfield is unwilling to do the requested work even if I pay. I will have the problem repaired locally. Springfield will not compensate me for this in any way, shape or form.

I find the resolutions to items 1 and 3 unacceptable. At this point I want to extend my hand to Springfield one last time to either make an offer to address these issues, or to escalate within your organization to a higher level of management or your custom shop for resolution. If items 1 and 3 remain unchanged, I will take action from my end which will include correspondence with the BBB and the BATFE.

Finally, below is something I wrote on a message board today where several of my XDs owning peers have been battling a similar feed problem. The following message describes in great detail the problem I am having. There is no user error here as you implied on our conversation earlier - this is basic physics regarding the feed ramp. I offer this information both to justify my position and to hopefully get this data to your engineers. If the right people actually read this (unlike the last guy who obviously did not read the letter I enclosed with my pistol) I think we can all benefit.

"I bit the bullet (haha...) and went to the range today at lunch time. The new 7 round magazines Springfield sent me fixed the nose down feed issues, however I still have the nose up feed issues with any type of ammo in the 7 round magazines. I have the same nose up failure running Hydrashocks and Winchester PDX ammo from both 5 and 7 round magazines.

So far the only reliable combinations of magazine/ammo I have found for my XDs is:

5 rd mags -
230 grain ball (WWB, CBC, Federal and Berry's Bullets handloads)
200 grain LSWC handloads
230 grain Hornady XTP handloads

7 rd mags - Nothing feeds reliably.


The portion of the feed ramp that resides in the frame seems to be at too steep of an angle causing the nose of the bullet to get hung. Being that 7 round magazines sit about .010" lower in the magwell this problem is exasperated causing the angle to steepen that much more. This is why some people have so many and varied nose up problems depending on bullet shape and how well the magazine fits. The lower ramp needs to be cut and polished. I was able to duplicate this problem 8 times during the course of firing 21 rounds (7 rounds x 3 mags). If you hold the gun at just the right angle you can see where the wall of the case is wedged right up against the lower ramp and the nose is firmly planted in the top of the mouth of the chamber.

Hornady XTP HP bullets have a tapered nose which allows the upward force of the round to push the nose against the top of the mouth of the chamber. The same goes for the LSWC bullets. If you rack them in slow-mo you can see this happening. The tapered nose acts as a lever and pushes the round into place to properly chamber. This is why these hollow points work, but the more round/flat nosed shaped bullets no not. The hollowed portion of the non XTP bullet crashes into the chamber squarely enough to cause a stoppage.

Ball ammo works because the bullet passes the center of the circumference of the nose allowing the bullet to 'roll' across the mouth of the chamber and fall down into place like it should.

The tolerances are so close, that when you add the extra depth with a 7 round magazine between the bottom of the ramp and the top of the magazine that the angle is just right to get the nose of the 230 grain ball bullet to pitch itself perfectly into the tip of the mouth of the chamber which is why they jam like hollow points in the 5 round mags.

A few thousands of adjustment to the ramp would have a huge impact on the angle at which the bullet approaches the chamber and correct both of these issues."

Again, despite our lack of resolution I appreciate the time you have invested in dealing with these problems.



So that's my XDs story... That's why I hate this little gun and Springfield for their lack of support. Hindsight being 20/20 I wish I never sent my original XDs in for the recall. I'm thinking about taking my chances on doing the feed ramp myself. I did the ramp on both my 1911's and throated one of them. Those guns run like a champ, so I guess I did a decent job.

I really do want to like this gun again, but I'm out of patience. If you add what my time is worth, the cost of gas, ammo, range fees and such I'm sure I've spent more than the gun is worth trying to make it run right. If you guys have any words of wisdom, I'm all ears and would greatly appreciate it.

Disclaimer: With full power 230 grain ball in 5 round magazines this gun runs 100%, once you deviate from that combination is when all the problems happen. Therefore, if someone wants to blame this on limpwristing, I'll meet you in an alley to show you what my hands can do
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Old May 5, 2014, 03:26 PM   #27
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Bought one and shot it several hundred times. Sent it back for the recall. Shot it several hundred times since. All 100% reliable both times. I couldn't tell any difference in the trigger after the recall either. I carry it A LOT. I TRUST it implicitly.
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Old May 5, 2014, 03:51 PM   #28
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Interesting. If I were to polish the feed ramp at all, I'd use Mother's, and do it by hand just to be sure I don't over polish it. Sounds like quite the nightmare deal. Sorry to hear it.
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Old May 5, 2014, 06:30 PM   #29
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Fantastic, conclusive write up, handloader357. You did a great job, and thanks for sharing that with us.
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Old May 5, 2014, 06:48 PM   #30
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I must be fortunate, bought one in late March and it's been flawless. I have the 4" bbl 9mm model.

I haven't carried it yet, since I just went through the class for CCL. But it shoots well, and it really likes 147 grain ammo. So far I have around 200 rounds through it with no hiccups. It's early I realize, but so far so good.
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Old May 5, 2014, 07:41 PM   #31
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I've had my XDs 45 about five months now. It has been flawless. Never failed to cycle even though it was a little tight early on. Loosened up nicely. I trust it as my BUG and occasionally as my primary.
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Old May 5, 2014, 11:30 PM   #32
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I bought a XDs 45 a few months ago and liked it so much I bought one in 9mm, but I ended up selling the 9 to a friend due to only ever carrying and shooting the 45. My 45 is a post recall gun and already had PRP spring kit installed when I bought it, and it has been 100% reliable without a hiccup on any kind. I trust my life with it every day.
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Old May 7, 2014, 01:25 PM   #33
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The trigger on my XDs45, post-recall, was too heavy. I took several pounds off of it and it is right where it needs to be now. I've put hundreds of rounds through mine....mostly reloads with various bullet types, without any issues. I carry mine all the time.
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Old May 8, 2014, 01:41 AM   #34
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Back in 2007, I bought a 5" XD45 and my Dad bought a 4" XD45. I put several thousand rounds through mine, he put less, probably 3,000. Eventually sold mine simply because i consolidated to nothing but 1911 pistols, Dad still has, shoots and carries his. No issues.
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Old July 1, 2014, 10:15 PM   #35
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XDs 9 in for service

I hope I can trust my XDs, but it had problems as soon as I took it out of the box and shot it. Two failures to feed, two failures to extract, three light primer strikes with quality ammo, and the slide didn't lock after the last round.

Springfield customer service gave me the speech about cleaning, lubricating, breaking it in (without hollow points), and not limp wristing (which I wasn't doing). I explained how I've never had any problems like these with my M&P, Walther, Taurus or Glock. Hopefully I'll get it back in a couple of weeks. I have about 500 rounds ready to put it through the paces. If I can get through it without a hiccup, then I'll trust it. If not, I'm selling it. There's no point for me of keeping a carry pistol I can't depend on.
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Old July 1, 2014, 10:56 PM   #36
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Took my XDS 4.0, 9mm, to the range for the first time this past weekend after having the PRP spring kit installed along with a set of Meprolight night sights. Gun is incredibly accurate, trigger was smooth with little take up and almost no over travel. The gun cycled Blazer Brass, WWB, Golden Saber, Winchester Ranger, and Hornady Critical Defense without a single failure. Short answer, I trust this gun and have no problem carrying it for self defense.
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Old July 1, 2014, 11:59 PM   #37
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Went to the range twice before the recall. Went twice after. No problems.
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Old July 2, 2014, 11:49 AM   #38
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For clarification's sake, the recall was only for the XD-s model 9mm and .45:

http://www.springfieldrecall.com/
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Old July 2, 2014, 12:04 PM   #39
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Your experience really sucks and I can sympathize with it. I had a similar experience with S&W a few years back that soured me so much that I have not bought anything from them since. I hear a lot of folks just praise and rave about how good their service is so...

I have never had anything but great luck with my XD .45. I even have the XDs on my list to buy because I like my buddies so much. It really is a shame that it only takes one bad rep or one bad service experience to sour a company but, the fact is, companies just can't allow these things to fall through the cracks anymore or it gets posted where A LOT of people are going to see it.

Your last attempt to resolve the situation was classy and to the point. I wish you well in getting an acceptable resolution.
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Old July 2, 2014, 03:21 PM   #40
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Really simple...if you like the way it feels in your hand better than anything else...buy one.

If it punks out, call SA, get a shipping label, and send it for repairs.
Do NOT expect it to be a Fast Fix...repair section is backed up as heck due to the recall.
When it returns, test with High Quality ammo...stuff that goes bang every time.

If you get a repeat of Handloader 357's issues, sell it/trade it to a gun shop you hate.
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Old July 2, 2014, 06:08 PM   #41
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XD dependability given the test here:

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/general...ture-test.html
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Old July 2, 2014, 06:32 PM   #42
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My XDs 9mm has been 100% reliable through almost 800 rds. It is my primary carry and I trust it as much as I do my Glocks.

Take what you hear on that other forum with a grain of salt, talk about a group of clowns....generally speaking.
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Old July 2, 2014, 10:01 PM   #43
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Looks like this thread picked back up, so I figured I should post an update...

Springfield kept my XDs for about 3 weeks and refused to directly talk to me. Based on my previous email they opted to only communicate through their lawyer which I thought was overkill but rolled with it anyway. The lawyer was a real nice guy and did a great job mediating between us. Long story short, after about 2 weeks of productive albeit slow back and forth they gave my gun to their custom shop manager (Dave I think his name is?) who decided to do what he called the "Reliability package" to the gun.

To my surprise the gun now feeds all the ammo that it previously did not. The 7 round magazines also now work properly. However, there is one lingering problem that stops me from carrying the gun... Every now and again the gun won't return fully to battery and also does not like to stay in battery with a round in the chamber. The slightest rearward pressure to the slide with a round in the chamber, such as putting it in a holster, lets the extractor relax and the LCI drop down and the gun will not fire. Sometimes pulling the gun from the holster is enough to get it back into battery but usually I have to push on the back of it. It seems that either the recoil spring is too weak or the extractor is too tight or some combination thereof. The reason I say extractor is due to how hard I have to rack the gun open to get it to eject the round. My other 45's are smooth as silk when ejecting a round from the chamber (4 1911's and an XD compact). Also, when the chamber is empty the gun always snaps right back into battery even when I pull the slide back and ride it home slowly.

-Pause 15 mins for putting cartoons on for the kids and a trip downstairs....

So as I wrote this I began to think - If I can tune 1911 extractors, I'm not going to let this plastic thing beat me... I pulled the extractor, removed the little plastic gimmick they jammed in there with the spring and reassembled. There was slight improvement but it still seemed way too tight. So I pulled it again, tweaked the extractor spring just a hair and put it back together. The gun seems as smooth as all my other 45's now. Now when I pull the gun out of battery, it snaps right back closed as I would expect any semi auto to do. I'm going to try and get to the range tomorrow to give it a shot. For the 1st time since my original pre-recall XDs I'm hopeful I'll have a positive experience.

Word of warning - if you pull the extractor be prepared for that plunger looking thing that releases the firing pin to come rocketing out of there. Just keep your offhand over the bottom of the slide and it won't be a problem.

Again, I know this is a bit long winded but I hope it helps someone get their gun running right.
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Looks like this thread picked back up, so I figured I should post an update...

Springfield kept my XDs for about 3 weeks and refused to directly talk to me. Based on my previous email they opted to only communicate through their lawyer which I thought was overkill but rolled with it anyway. The lawyer was a real nice guy and did a great job mediating between us. Long story short, after about 2 weeks of productive albeit slow back and forth they gave my gun to their custom shop manager (Dave I think his name is?) who decided to do what he called the "Reliability package" to the gun.

To my surprise the gun now feeds all the ammo that it previously did not. The 7 round magazines also now work properly. However, there is one lingering problem that stops me from carrying the gun... Every now and again the gun won't return fully to battery and also does not like to stay in battery with a round in the chamber. The slightest rearward pressure to the slide with a round in the chamber, such as putting it in a holster, lets the extractor relax and the LCI drop down and the gun will not fire. Sometimes pulling the gun from the holster is enough to get it back into battery but usually I have to push on the back of it. It seems that either the recoil spring is too weak or the extractor is too tight or some combination thereof. The reason I say extractor is due to how hard I have to rack the gun open to get it to eject the round. My other 45's are smooth as silk when ejecting a round from the chamber (4 1911's and an XD compact). Also, when the chamber is empty the gun always snaps right back into battery even when I pull the slide back and ride it home slowly.

-Pause 15 mins for putting cartoons on for the kids and a trip downstairs....

So as I wrote this I began to think - If I can tune 1911 extractors, I'm not going to let this plastic thing beat me... I pulled the extractor, removed the little plastic gimmick they jammed in there with the spring and reassembled. There was slight improvement but it still seemed way too tight. So I pulled it again, tweaked the extractor spring just a hair and put it back together. The gun seems as smooth as all my other 45's now. Now when I pull the gun out of battery, it snaps right back closed as I would expect any semi auto to do. I'm going to try and get to the range tomorrow to give it a shot. For the 1st time since my original pre-recall XDs I'm hopeful I'll have a positive experience.

Word of warning - if you pull the extractor be prepared for that plunger looking thing that releases the firing pin to come rocketing out of there. Just keep your offhand over the bottom of the slide and it won't be a problem.

Again, I know this is a bit long winded but I hope it helps someone get their gun running right.
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Old July 3, 2014, 02:50 PM   #45
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After 500+ rounds fired, 2 trips back to Springfield after the recall and trying various fixes to get mine to run reliably I gave up. Traded for a Glock 36 and I'm much happier.
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Old July 3, 2014, 09:51 PM   #46
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"The trigger on my XDs45, post-recall, was too heavy. I took several pounds off of it and it is right where it needs to be now. I've put hundreds of rounds through mine....mostly reloads with various bullet types, without any issues. I carry mine all the time."


Arizona, how did you take a few pounds off the trigger?

I'm looking for a simpler way to mod the trigger. I don't mind the travel or the smoothness, I just want to lighten it up a bit.
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Old July 15, 2014, 12:29 AM   #47
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"The trigger on my XDs45, post-recall, was too heavy. I took several pounds off of it and it is right where it needs to be now. I've put hundreds of rounds through mine....mostly reloads with various bullet types, without any issues. I carry mine all the time."


Arizona, how did you take a few pounds off the trigger?

I'm looking for a simpler way to mod the trigger. I don't mind the travel or the smoothness, I just want to lighten it up a bit.
The simplest way to lighten the trigger would be the PRP spring kit. Also, I've heard you can bend the grip safety spring to lighten the pull. Some people over at XDTalk forums were talking about the grip safety spring mod I think...

And a quick update to my issues. After adjusting the extractor spring I had some failures to extract. I put a bit more tension back into it and the gun is running smoothly now. No more FTRB, the slide snaps closed on its own when manually cycling the gun and extraction seems good.

It's been a pain in the ass, but I'm glad I finally won! However, if I had to do it all over again I'd just build a custom officer's sized 1911.
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