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Old July 14, 2014, 02:18 PM   #51
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An M44 with heavy ball ammo will definitely get your attention, and it will also do it a lot more cheaply than some of the other guns listed.
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Old July 15, 2014, 09:17 AM   #52
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Of course, it does not meet the rifling nor the 200 yards criteria, but for inexpensive (less than a dollar a round) and easy to find (sold everywhere) punch (pain?) in the shoulder, the twelve gauge very basic slug is just great. It's made a .338 Winchester with a nice soft pad feel very delicate.

On the softer, rifled, longer range side of things, my Remington 760 Gamemaster in .30-06 Springfield with a metal but plate is cute. Still pleasant to shoot, but lets you know you have shot it. Noting comparable to the twelve, but it wakes you up after a hundred .22 LR shots. Like others, I will insist on the metal plate part, it just seems of importance.
Question for those who have the big bore rifles (say .375 and larger) and hunt turkeys. How does the recoil of the big boomers compare to a 3.5 inch 12 ga. turkey load? The heaviest recoil I've experienced is 2.25 oz of hevi-shot from my 3.5" Remington 870. I shot 8 rounds from a bench sighting in my Burris FF3 sight and that was a few more than I care for.

I do know that the turkey gun is a lot more recoil than .338WM and .300WM, but have never fired any of the bigger bore rifles.
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Old July 16, 2014, 02:13 PM   #53
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Depending on how much accuracy you want, a deer rifle in .30-06 would fit the bill (if you prefer optics), or a Mosin-Nagant M44 or M91/30 (iron sights only), or a milsurp Mauser/Enfield/Carcano/whatever. I've always thought an Enfield "jungle carbine" (the shorter model) would be fun, but those are a bit pricey.

Or, a Sharps reproduction in .45-70 or .45-110...

If you like AR's, you could look at a .50 Beowulf...
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Old July 16, 2014, 02:47 PM   #54
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This will put wind in your sails,,,

This will put wind in your sails,,,



Here is one scoped for $288.00,,,
Delivered to your LGS.

Just a thought,,,

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Old July 16, 2014, 02:56 PM   #55
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50 Beowulf

I know it doesn't meet the bolt action specification, but I will second the 50 beowulf suggestion. being a semi auto you can feel the abuse a few times in rapid succession!
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Old July 16, 2014, 03:00 PM   #56
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Like the handi rifle idea! Course the heaviest recoil to be commonly found is 2 ounce turkey loads and 1-3/4 ounce magnum slugs through any of the 12 gauge single shots. Don't try this from a bench! A 5 pound gun puts out over 100 pounds of sharp recoil, not gentle shove there.
I agree w/this ^

I have a Mosin M44 and Marlin 45-70, which I have loaded very hot...but turkey loads are the absolute worst. I can take about 5 or so and I'm done.
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Old July 16, 2014, 04:21 PM   #57
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The steel buttplate on my old 1894 30wcf used to remind me the next morning that I had been shooting the day prior!
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Old July 16, 2014, 06:10 PM   #58
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There is an online calculator which provides some basis for comparison, though action type, stock dimensions, shape, and fit to shooter will make a lot of difference in how recoil is felt. Important number is the "free recoil". Most people find 20 foot pounds to be the limit for comfortable shooting.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

For example: Compare bolt guns in 30-06 180 grain, 2800 fps, 55 grains powder in an 8-1/2 pound rifle at 19 foot pounds of recoil, or a fast 30 cal 180gr at 3200 with 70 grains of powder from an 8-1/2 pound rifle at 27 foot pounds. Get 50% more recoil for those extra 400 fps. If it's the same model gun in two different calibers, you will definitely notice!

For giggles we can throw in the shotguns. 2 ounce turkey load at 1250 fps, 2-1/2 dram equivalent = 875 grains projectile, 1250 fps, 68 grains powder out of a standard 6 pound field gun = 98+ foot pounds of recoil. Won't find many takers for 100 round shooting session with these things. 5 in a box is plenty :-)

(dram is equal to a bit over 27 1/3 grains of powder so 2 dram = 55, 2-1/2 dram = 68. Shot or slug weights 1 ounce = 437-1/2 grains)
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Old July 16, 2014, 07:42 PM   #59
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Mosin M44 gives quite a kick for a cheap 7.62 rifle.

You can also try a 12gauge shotgun and shoot slugs through it.
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Old July 17, 2014, 09:14 AM   #60
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There is an online calculator which provides some basis for comparison...

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

For giggles we can throw in the shotguns. 2 ounce turkey load at 1250 fps, 2-1/2 dram equivalent = 875 grains projectile, 1250 fps, 68 grains powder out of a standard 6 pound field gun = 98+ foot pounds of recoil. Won't find many takers for 100 round shooting session with these things. 5 in a box is plenty :-)

(dram is equal to a bit over 27 1/3 grains of powder so 2 dram = 55, 2-1/2 dram = 68. Shot or slug weights 1 ounce = 437-1/2 grains)
That's an eye opener. I knew the turkey load had some recoil. My hat has almost come off (hat stays still while body and head recoil). I now know to make sure my hat is nice and snug.

The hevishot and longbeard XR loads I use don't list their powder charges. Is 2 dram a standard powder charge for a heavy load?

I put the 2.25 oz shot @ 1200 fps (hevishot 3.5" shell) and used the 68 grains of powder with a 7 lb gun = 95 lbs of recoil. Even a 9 lb. gun only drops the recoil to 74 lbs.
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Old July 17, 2014, 10:56 AM   #61
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This is easy. Get a Rossi 92 in 44 Mag.

I've got the following in my safe:
Mosin 91/30
Marlin XL-7 in 270
M1 Garand
Rossi 92
Remington 870 in 12 ga.
Some other stuff that doesn't kick hard.

The Rossi 92 has the most felt recoil of anything in the safe. Full power magnum loads (think Winchester white box), become downright painful due to the small, narrow steel buttplate.
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Old July 17, 2014, 11:16 AM   #62
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This is easy. Get a Rossi 92 in 44 Mag.

I've got the following in my safe:
Mosin 91/30
Marlin XL-7 in 270
M1 Garand
Rossi 92
Remington 870 in 12 ga.
Some other stuff that doesn't kick hard.

The Rossi 92 has the most felt recoil of anything in the safe. Full power magnum loads (think Winchester white box), become downright painful due to the small, narrow steel buttplate.
This brings up a great point. Does the OP want something that moves him or something that hurts him? Pain can be achieved with a narrow, steel butt plate or using a scope with insufficient eye relief. OTOH, if you want recoil that moves your body, it is hard to accomplish without significant mass exiting the barrel at high velocity. As Illinoisburt demonstrated, the cheapest way to get massive recoil is with a turkey load in a shotgun.

While turkey hunting this year I had to get quickly into position when the tom appeared. I ended up taking the shot while kneeling (one knee down). I ended up flat on my back, but I got the bird!
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Old July 20, 2014, 12:54 PM   #63
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find yourself an old .303 Enfeild bolt action you will know it whrn you pill the trigger
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Old July 20, 2014, 11:32 PM   #64
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For whatever reason, a synthetic stock Mossberg 100 ATR in 30'06 was painfully jarring. Seemed like there was no holding it tight enough.

Sold it and the guy wrote back to say his girlfriend loved it for that reason!
He goes by Big Mustard around here...
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Old July 21, 2014, 12:09 AM   #65
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.243, .257 Roberts, 6.5 x anything, and 7mm-08. All of these are excellent target calibers, and will do for white tail. The 6.5x55 with 1:8 twist and 160 RN will do for elk and moose as might the 7mm-08 in 140 with excellent shot placement.

CZ, Weatherby, and Savage would be where I would look first.

SORRY, wrong answer. Read it as "recoil-phobic" For "recoil-phile",458 win mag, 416 Remington, Ruger or Rigby, or for real retina detaching, powder spewing, ear splitting fun, the 378 Weatherby Mag.

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