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Old July 11, 2014, 10:26 AM   #1
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Carry permits when going to school out of state

Hey guys, I'm in the process of relocating to Florida for paramedic school. My understanding is that after living here for 30 consecutive days, I will be a Florida resident, and will be required to get a Florida drivers license. I'm only going to be here for 1 year, and then move back to Washington ... Probably. Where does that put me in regards to concealed carry?

WASHINGTON. I would like to still be able to carry when I go back home to visit. Do I need to somehow aply for a non-resident permit? I can't really go into the local sheriffs office and do that in person right now...

FLORIDA
I guess I won't be a resident of this state until I actually have been here for 30 days, which conveniently coincides with when I'll be moving into the apartment I'll be renting for school. If I apply for a nonresident permit now, can I just keep that, or does that become null and void after I have been here for 30 days? And then I assume I'd need a resident permit, but how does that play into my Washington permit?

I'm not trying to get out of doing my own homework, so much as I'm hoping for some input from people who have been in my shoes, and can point me in the direction of the right resources.
I know I didn't articulate that particularly we'll, so any help would be appreciated.
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Old July 11, 2014, 11:28 AM   #2
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Snowbirds come down here and stay a lot longer than 30 days and many have non-resident CWPs, along with CWPs from their home state
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Old July 11, 2014, 12:57 PM   #3
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Florida resources.....

Here are a few sites you might want to look at;
www.mylicensesite.com www.floridafirearmslaw.com www.gunlawguide.com www.myflorida.com www.nra.org .

Check the Div of Licensing site for details. If you are a military veteran, your DD-214 records can qualify as your firearms training requirement for a W/concealed license.
The Div of Licensing has invested a lot of $ in the license/application process. You can now schedule appointments & do it in one day, or go thru the mail.
Florida law enforcement agencies use E fingerprints. You pay the fee then get a code to give the Div from the FDLE(Florida Dept of Law Enforcement).
The W license is valid for 7/seven years. It does not have your home address or personal information like a driver's license. W/concealed carry information is also not open source to the general public like some other places(which is now changing in a few locations).
The cards are plastic & look like regular IDs/credit cards.
Id suggest checking www.handgunlaw.us to see where or what places have agreements with Florida for carry/weapons. Research it often too because these locations-lists change often due to new laws, state AGs, politics.
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Old July 13, 2014, 05:14 AM   #4
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does Washington reciprocate with Florida? if so you should be fine both ways, if not your
ccw permit in Washington should still be valid when home. just get a permit for Fla. just my .02
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Old July 13, 2014, 08:55 AM   #5
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As we see here, Washington does not reciprocate with Florida.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html
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Old July 13, 2014, 09:39 AM   #6
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Florida resident....

Also, if the forum member relocates to Florida & becomes a Florida resident, the WA carry laws wouldn't matter.
The CCW process in the sunshine state is quick & painless to most.
The only minor problems or delays may come from processing. When I sent in my records & E fingerprints, the state office in Tallahassee did not include my verification code.
They sent me a notice saying I didn't pay for my fingerprint processing. I contacted the main office & cleared it up in about 15min.
I got my new W/concealed license approx 3 business days later.
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Old July 13, 2014, 10:04 AM   #7
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Going to school out of state for a year does not a resident make. I wouldn't change anything unless you intend to stay in FL.
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Old July 13, 2014, 10:53 AM   #8
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First, let's not confuse motor vehicle laws with firearms laws. .

Florida wants you to get a Florida DL after 30 days? <Yawn>... very few Snowbirds (temporary residents) do so (I'm one now). Very few college students (I was one) get them. Can't speak to the law, but let's remember that this is a MOTOR VEHICLE DEPARTMENT regulation and has NOTHING to do with any other definition of residency.


Students are generally not considered to be Residents of the state where they are taking courses, unless they fully sever ties to a past state of residence. Consider that many colleges have both resident and non-resident tuition. Simply living there while taking classes does not a resident make. Consider the case of a student studying at FSU: After 30 days Florida MVC wants you to get a drivers licence (maybe), but there's no way in heck that FSU is going to halve your tuition. Go to school for as month, get your Florida DL, and then walk into the registrars office and ask for your tuition rate to be reset to a residents rate and you will be laughed out of the building. You're still not a resident no matter that you have gotten a Florida DL. One thing is not the other.

I'd also read the FULL statute from the motor vehicle folks. My bet is that there's an exception for students and military. But that's just a guess.

One data point: I went to college in Florida, kept my NJ driovers license, and never considered myself to be anything other than a visitor to Florida. I now am there 5 months a year in the winter, keep my Wisconsin DL, my Wisconsin CCW, and have a Florida CCW that I excercise as a non-resident licence. Practically speaking this only changes my relationship with South Carolina, where my WI CCW is not recognized and my Florida one would only be recognized were I a resident of Florida. As was written above, Florida CCW's do not indicate address or residency. That's up to YOU to prove one way or the other should it become an point of argument.


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Old July 13, 2014, 11:02 AM   #9
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In general the 30 day rule is about registering your vehicle after a permanent address change if you are just merely attending school then I wouldn't sweat it. I assume you won't be living on campus, but if you are that probably just further solidifies that you're an out of stater attending school.

Only you know if you're moving there or just attending classes for a year or two, if you think of your new place as your new permanent address rather than the place you sleep while in school then by all means do all the paperwork and become a Florida resident. If not don't sweat it you're just a student from Washington.
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Old July 13, 2014, 01:03 PM   #10
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The W license is valid for 7/seven years. It does not have your home address or personal information like a driver's license. W/concealed carry information is also not open source to the general public like some other places(which is now changing in a few locations).
The cards are plastic & look like regular IDs/credit cards.
Wa CPL is good for 5 years only, not 7. Only plastic if you pay an extra 3.00 to have it laminated. It also has your home address,DL number, DOB, and Ht, Wt eye color hair color.

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Old July 13, 2014, 02:11 PM   #11
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Quote:
Students are generally not considered to be Residents of the state where they are taking courses, unless they fully sever ties to a past state of residence.
Except for actually buying guns, according to the BATF.
Quote:
27 CFR 178.11: MEANING OF TERMS

An out-of-State college student may establish residence in a State by
residing and maintaining a home in a college dormitory or in a location
off-campus during the school term.

ATF Rul. 80-21

"State of residence" is defined by regulation in 27 CFR 178.11 as the
State in which an individual regularly resides or maintains a home. The
regulation also provides an example of an individual who maintains a home
in State X and a home in State Y. The individual regularly resides in
State X except for the summer months and in State Y for the summer months
of the year. The regulation states that during the time the individual
actually resides in State X he is a resident of State X, and during the
time he actually resides in State Y he is a resident of State Y.

Applying the above example to out-of-State college students it is held,
that during the time the students actually reside in a college dormitory
or at an off-campus location they are considered residents of the State
where the dormitory or off-campus home is located. During the time
out-of-State college students actually reside in their home State they
are considered residents of their home State.

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Residency is a can of worms.
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Old July 13, 2014, 03:47 PM   #12
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One nice thing about afL CWPs is that they are issued by the AG Commissioner, not the state police and they are not tied to your DL.
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Old July 14, 2014, 08:59 AM   #13
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you can get a valid in fla only license and keep your original license.establishes residency and state knows where you live for emergency contact info.also,they will ask for contact info for person to notify in case of accident
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Old July 14, 2014, 03:43 PM   #14
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Imo just get a Fla non resident CCW.
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Old July 14, 2014, 09:20 PM   #15
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I would get a non-res FL permit and be done with it. I would imagine there is an exemption for students as well as miltary personel when it comes to the 30 day rule.

I dont know how hard it is to get a FL driver's license, but it took a total of 20 hours to get my licence when I moved to TN (one hour round trip to the DMV, four hours there, four trips).
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Old July 14, 2014, 10:06 PM   #16
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Florida DLs.....

FWIW; new Florida resident DLs(class E licenses) can be a serious pain.
One woman in her 60s told a TV reporter how she took her high school yearbook, marriage license & birth certificate & it still was not enough.
I'd see; www.gorenew.com . The Florida DMV/Highway Safety has a "gather, go, get" plan but be ready to deal with a lot.

You could maintain your WA resident status & get a Florida non resident license, but if it's open ended when you plan to leave or if you want to buy cars, homes, property etc then Id settle in & become a Florida resident.

See www.mylicensesite.com or www.handgunlaw.us www.gathergoget.com .
Note; Florida residents do not pay state income tax either.
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Old July 14, 2014, 11:15 PM   #17
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You could maintain your WA resident status & get a Florida non resident license


Nit picking time:

No such thing. Florida issues CCW's to non-residents, but they are no different than a resident license, do not have your address on them, have nothing indicating that you are a resident or not, and are accepted for reciprocity out of Florida as either resident or non-resident based on what other supporting information you provide. It's only an issue if you are in a state that accepts permits carried by Florida residents but not by non-residents. South Carolina comes to mind.

The advice is good though, after the above nit is picked. Get a Florida CCW and keep your Washington one and your Washington DL and forget about it.


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Old July 15, 2014, 12:03 AM   #18
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Big IF....

But if the forum member chooses to live/stay in Florida or takes a job with a public agency that mandates a FL resident license.
It would seem odd to a background investigator to do a check & have a applicant say; "yeah, I lived in Florida here; __ & __ but I never got around to updating my DL" .
Or "I got a non resident CCW then never changed my state DL."
A student aid office or campus advisor may have details too.
FWIW; I've been thru background checks that were lax & Ive had others where agents or investigators checked every detail or number on my application.
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Old July 15, 2014, 12:09 AM   #19
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FWIW; new
Note; Florida residents do not pay state income tax either.
[thread drift]

However, as a WA resident, he may still have to pay WA income tax, if they have it...

Living within a stone toss of the NC/TN line, I known a few folks that lived in east TN and worked in NC, and I've known folks that worked in East TN and lived in Western NC, and they all had to pay NC income taxes. Residents have to pay because they're residents, non residents have to pay because the money is made in NC... No one is being double taxed since TN doesn't have income tax.

Just to be on the safe side, I suggest putting enough money back for WA income tax so you aren't hit with a large bill at the end of the year... A 5% tax on twenty grand is 1000 bucks... a tall order if you live paycheck to paycheck as a lot of students do. If you dont have to pay it, you have some money saved up for gas and food for the drive home...

Of course, this is assuming that WA has income tax and you keep your WA license (residency).

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Old July 15, 2014, 03:18 PM   #20
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No income tax in WA either
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