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Old July 25, 2014, 08:50 AM   #1
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Flawed numbers in Colorado gun law

Not sure if this has been posted here or not. The state of Colorado made some bold estimates that are not even close to reality and it is costing tax payers a bunch of coin. Of course, there is the usual spin. I don't understand why people can't just say if something works or doesn't work and be honest about it.

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Old July 25, 2014, 09:02 AM   #2
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Yes, the usual spin. Those that passed the law and allocated the money can claim it's working while those that oppose the law will claim the law was too hasty and ambitious based on flawed info.

Meanwhile thugs haven't changed their habits or stealing/buying practices since they didn't care about the law before or after it changed.
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Old July 25, 2014, 09:11 AM   #3
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My experience with a local board says private sales are way down. Guns sit for sale, especially lower priced ones like cheap shotguns and .22LR. A deal is much less of a deal when you have to add in $20+ in fees and a couple hours of your time.

There have been a couple reports in the Denver paper about the number of BG checks and the number denied. The counts are low to the point of the # denied after appeal was in double digits for last year (sorry I cannot find that source it has been a few months). Those that know they are not going to pass a BG check will not try to pass one and will find other sources. Nobody can think a black market does not exist. This is catching the people with unpaid parking tickets and the like. (I have not seen a breakdown on why people were denied, only CBI has that data and it is not released. That last statement on who is being caught is my opinion)

A more cynical way to look at it is the laws are working; sales are down. If you look at the laws as an attack on legal gun ownership and not as a safety measure they make more sense. The unenforceable magazine law means you cannot buy them in state or mail order, even if you'll never get caught for violating it. The fee to pay for CBI means that even with the BG checks being a complete waste of time and money the gun owners are paying for it so lawmakers can just laugh. The mandatory BG check cannot be enforced either but nobody is willing to trust a stranger so it gets honored. The laws are working in their true intent, just not in the theme of public safety.
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Old July 25, 2014, 09:54 AM   #4
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That's what we tried to tell them. The general arrogant mind set of the lib legislature was totally beyond belief! They would listen to nothing that wasn't on their agenda.
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Old July 25, 2014, 01:25 PM   #5
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The skewing of numbers regarding gun laws is no different than the way they are doing the numbers on the pot laws.
They either ignore or refute data counter to their agenda or repeat the lies supporting it until it becomes the truth in media and social interactions.
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Old July 25, 2014, 06:04 PM   #6
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I was recently at a Denver gun store with someone doing a background check for a handgun. I was appalled at how long it took. It was at least 20 minutes, if not more. It was significantly longer than the longest NICS check I've seen (which ended in a delay).
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Old July 25, 2014, 06:49 PM   #7
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One of the worst problems with our system is that there are virtually NO metrics associated with a new law, and no review process to determine its effectiveness.

A law should state up front what it is intended to accomplish, how that accomplishment will be measured, and should automatically expire in a reasonable time. Supporters of the law should be required to show it accomplished it's goals when trying to extend it.
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