Quantcast
Why have revolvers become passť ? - Page 6 - THR
THR  

Go Back   THR > Tools and Technologies > Handguns: General Discussion

Welcome to THR
You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have, access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!


If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit the help section.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old August 7, 2014, 03:31 PM   #126
MCgunner
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 3, 2005
Location: The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Texas
Posts: 23,255
Quote:
Passť?

While revolvers have fallen out of favor with LEO's they are very popular in the civilian markets. Revolvers are the most common choice for women buying a self-defense gun and the big three gunmakers are constantly adding new models.


^^^this^^^

They significantly outnumber the autos in my house. Besides, other than the Coonan, they're the only choice in magnum power in a normal sized handgun (excludes the Desert Eagle). Well, there's the 10. Good luck on the ammo.
__________________
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Ben Franklin
MCgunner is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 04:17 PM   #127
TestPilot
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 5, 2006
Posts: 696
Quote:
Hey, you do realize that "armed professionals" don't get to chose what they carry, don't you? That choice is made for them.

By an administrative bean-counter.
Actually, as far as out side of the military is concerned, transition from revolvers to self-loaders were grudgingly approved by "administrative bean-counter"s due to rank and file voices, not top-down pressure.

Sure, not all armed professionals may get to choose a specific model they want to carry, but as far was self-loaders being prevalent is mostly by choice.

Also, many departments have a prettly long list of what pistols are approved, so a significant portion of them get to carry what they want.

Last edited by TestPilot; August 7, 2014 at 04:34 PM.
TestPilot is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 05:01 PM   #128
Drail
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 17, 2008
Posts: 3,589
Eggzactly right. "the first thing we do - let's kill all the bean counters".
Drail is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 06:26 PM   #129
Schwing
Member
 
 
Join Date: June 3, 2013
Location: Layton Utah
Posts: 1,051
Quote:
Through shear ignorance, I once thought revolvers were passť.
I did as well. In fact, I owned exclusively semi-autos for more than 30 years. Then I was talked into buying a revolver and have not purchased a semi auto since.

I think that a lot of the arguments that we see here and other places about caliber A vs. caliber B or semi auto vs. revolver are blown WAY out of proportion. Personally, I feel just as confident with my little .38 LCR as I do with my .45 Springfield. I just can't see a realistic scenario in which I am going to be having a multi-magazine shoot out. I also concede that, if that scenario were to arise, I would be screwed.

Another point that I think is nearly always overlooked is WHY we own multiple firearms. Personally, the pleasure and challenge is more of a motivation for me to buy something new than picturing it as a better option to carry around town. For me, revolvers are just more pleasurable to shoot. I also enjoy NOT having to chase my brass
__________________
God created man; Samuel Colt made them equal
Schwing is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 07:17 PM   #130
460Kodiak
Member
 
 
Join Date: February 12, 2011
Location: In a place.....by cool stuff.
Posts: 2,710
Quote:
I just can't see a realistic scenario in which I am going to be having a multi-magazine shoot out. I also concede that, if that scenario were to arise, I would be screwed.
I'm right there with ya.
__________________
Me........ "I need a screen name."
Friend.... "What's your favorite cartridge?"
Me........ "460 magnum."
Friend.... "You should be 460Kodiak....... yeah"
Me........ "Great...... now I have to grow a mullet."
460Kodiak is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 07:29 PM   #131
MCgunner
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 3, 2005
Location: The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Texas
Posts: 23,255
Quote:
I think that a lot of the arguments that we see here and other places about caliber A vs. caliber B or semi auto vs. revolver are blown WAY out of proportion. Personally, I feel just as confident with my little .38 LCR as I do with my .45 Springfield. I just can't see a realistic scenario in which I am going to be having a multi-magazine shoot out. I also concede that, if that scenario were to arise, I would be screwed.
Spoken from realville. However, if I shoot my five, I'll just reach for one of my other 2 five shooters.

I admit, I do sometimes get in the mood to carry my .45ACP and back it up with a 12 round .380 pocket gun. I'm usually headed for the big city when I get this paranoid. It's silly, though, I admit. I love my revolvers.
__________________
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Ben Franklin
MCgunner is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 07:29 PM   #132
Rodentman
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 22, 2008
Location: MN
Posts: 516
About half of my collection is revolvers, half semi-autos. I like the semis in unique calibers like the 50 AE and the 22 TCM, and well the Coonan too. My go to range guns are usually revolvers and I have several in traditional semi-auto calibers like 45 acp, 10 mm and 9 mm.
__________________
A Korth is a Korth of Korth of Korth.

Member NRA
Rodentman is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 08:01 PM   #133
Gun Master
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 23, 2012
Location: Wolf River Bottoms
Posts: 1,013
Who Said Wheelguns Are Passe' ?

I concede that more semi's than revolvers are "probably" (statistics?) being bought (or stolen) today. That doesn't mean they are no longer "in style" or useful. I'm for letting the passe' idea continue, since that let's me get some really good used gun bargains.

About half mine are semi, and the "smaller" half are revolvers.

The most important thing is that you can protect yourself against violent malefactors. If your can do so, more effectively with a revolver (or semi, etc.), so be it.

Next most important is, can you hit your mark with a potent and accurate first (and continuing) shots, not how many magazines you can tote. The possibility of an extended shoot out are, at least , remote.

Last edited by Gun Master; August 7, 2014 at 08:12 PM. Reason: Details.
Gun Master is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 08:13 PM   #134
Vodoun da Vinci
Member
 
 
Join Date: September 17, 2013
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1,174
Probably because I started with revolvers I recently went back to shooting them and working on my revolver technique when I got my 2 1/2" tube for my Dan Wesson. Then I took what I learned back to the LCR and then discovered that I just shoot revolvers better from an intuitive perspective.

I had to work at point shooting and transitioning to sights amd moving and shooing with my autos. And I'm good at it now.

But moving back to revolvers it just *happened* without thought or modifications. They just point single handed for me and the bullets go where I look. I don't think revolvers will go away for a long, long time yet.

VooDoo
__________________
Beretta Px4 9mm subcompact, Glock 26 Gen4, Dan Wesson 15-2VH .357 Magnum, Ruger LCR .38 Special +P, Colt 1903 Model M .32ACP, Ruger 3 screw Blackhawk .357 Magnum, Ruger Bearcat .22, S&W Model 19 .357 Magnum, Colt Officers ACP .45, Glock 42
Vodoun da Vinci is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 09:12 PM   #135
Bezoar
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 9, 2006
Posts: 1,284
revolvers are not passe.

you must look at the current buying trends in all firearms to look at revolvers in the right way.

1. teh magazines push semi autos down our throats. if the magazines are correct, only real men use a semi auto. and we allll want to be "real men"?

2. but only week willed purse wearing european sissy boys use a 9mm unless its 9mm+p or +p+.

3. the buying panics have all been based upon 'what the guvmint will ban next is what i must have now'. The focus has been on semi autos, so thats what everyone wants to get now, so that if its grandfathered in, the 300 dollar EAA witness they bought used can hopefully be resold for 900..
Bezoar is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 10:53 PM   #136
TomJ
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 3, 2014
Location: Illinois
Posts: 44
Increased reliability of semi automatics?

When I was a patrolman in the late '80's, our department as well as many others did not trust the reliability of semi automatics. It's not that they weren't reliable, it's just that revolvers were more so. With the increased reliability of semi automatics as well as their increased capacity to address the trend, perceived or real , of more multiple attacker scenarios (at least in the Chicago area), we seem to have seen an increase in semi automatics here. I like and own both, as both have their roles.
__________________
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Last edited by TomJ; August 7, 2014 at 10:58 PM.
TomJ is offline  
Old August 7, 2014, 11:42 PM   #137
psyshack
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 23, 2011
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 563
For years I blew off the .357 Sig round. I got to studying on it. Looks like some real potential there. Got a good deal on a G31 3gen, my eyes opened. .357 Sig ammo off my bench impressed me. The G31 made my .357 revolvers obsolete for HD/SD work in 124/125gn bullet weights.
__________________
New American Expictation:

Where is my hand out? I want it now!!!!
psyshack is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 12:14 AM   #138
CornCod
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 12, 2006
Posts: 746
An old gun writer, I think it was Wiley Clapp, said that shooters "talk .45, shoot 9mm and carry .38." Still very much true.
CornCod is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 12:22 AM   #139
460Kodiak
Member
 
 
Join Date: February 12, 2011
Location: In a place.....by cool stuff.
Posts: 2,710
Quote:
I admit, I do sometimes get in the mood to carry my .45ACP and back it up with a 12 round .380 pocket gun. I'm usually headed for the big city when I get this paranoid. It's silly, though, I admit. I love my revolvers.
I don't think that's silly MC. Carrying more firepower when your potential to encounter trouble is higher just sounds like good planning to me.

Quote:
3. the buying panics have all been based upon 'what the guvmint will ban next is what i must have now'. The focus has been on semi autos, so thats what everyone wants to get now, so that if its grandfathered in, the 300 dollar EAA witness they bought used can hopefully be resold for 900..
. That is a very good point Bezoar.
__________________
Me........ "I need a screen name."
Friend.... "What's your favorite cartridge?"
Me........ "460 magnum."
Friend.... "You should be 460Kodiak....... yeah"
Me........ "Great...... now I have to grow a mullet."
460Kodiak is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 06:22 AM   #140
RetiredUSNChief
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 9, 2012
Location: East Coast
Posts: 3,329
Quote:
I just can't see a realistic scenario in which I am going to be having a multi-magazine shoot out. I also concede that, if that scenario were to arise, I would be screwed.
No, you're not screwed quite yet. You can still throw the gun at the bad guy. Even Superman ducked when THAT happened!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGf1r8-Snss
__________________
"Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun." Ash - Army of Darkness http://youtu.be/0xwzdd-Slo8

I'm the guy with a cannon, too: http://youtu.be/X6xhYELYVDw
RetiredUSNChief is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 11:31 AM   #141
skoro
Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2, 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,864
Chief -

No one can argue with that!
__________________
Watch where you're pointin' that thing...
skoro is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 03:26 PM   #142
Gun Master
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 23, 2012
Location: Wolf River Bottoms
Posts: 1,013
Sadly, he couldn't dodge or deflect the bullet from his own Luger, that he held in his hand, in real life.
Gun Master is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 04:15 PM   #143
SC Shooter
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 25, 2013
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 358
When I go to the range, I see lots of revolvers, and lots of auto loaders. Revolvers tend to be popular with new shooters, especially with women as they are easier to handle and easier to clean & maintain. Many more experienced shooters will tell you that revolvers are more dependable, so they make a better self defense weapon. I am sure there is an ebb and flow based on current popularity, but I really doubt you will ever see revolvers go away.
__________________
If practice makes perfect, what's the big deal about getting outside your box?
SC Shooter is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 05:03 PM   #144
Archie
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 31, 2002
Location: Hastings, Nebraska - the Heartland!
Posts: 1,671
Based upon my training and experience...

Revolvers are losing ground in popularity as one can miss more times while looking cooler with a semi-automatic pistol.
__________________
The difference between 'anecdotal evidence' and 'empirical evidence' is:
Anecdotal evidence happened to you; Empirical evidence happened to me.
Archie
Check out my journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/
Archie is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 06:40 PM   #145
tuj
Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2, 2011
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 1,547
I think part of this has to do with the increased reliability of modern semiautomatics and the perceived 'greater firepower' from high capacity magazines. Blame Glock.

Cirillo did just fine with a revolver. But his partner used a single stack 1911. Different strokes for different folks; both are legendary gunfighters.
tuj is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 06:43 PM   #146
TestPilot
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 5, 2006
Posts: 696
Quote:
Cirillo did just fine with a revolver. But his partner used a single stack 1911. Different strokes for different folks; both are legendary gunfighters.
- Cirillo regularly carried 3 guns on him when he was using revolvers for duty.

- One of that pistol was a Walther self-loader, probably against department regulations or Allard's approval(since he was authrized to approve T&E weapons, that's how he was able to carry a 1911).

I read every publication by him, and nothing indicates his choice was a 38 Special revolver because he was satisfied with it. A lot of insights on guns and gun fights in them, but he NEVER said anything to the effect of "6 is enough."

- Cirillo's pistol of choice in his later years was a Glock.

Last edited by TestPilot; August 8, 2014 at 06:49 PM.
TestPilot is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 07:28 PM   #147
Jaymo
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 21, 2010
Posts: 3,245
Using Cirillo as an example of having to fire more than six rounds in a fight, is flawed.
Cirillo was hamstrung by the poor choices of ammo available (and department approved) for .38 Spl at the time.

Besides, as a member of the Stakeout Squad, he was MUCH more likely to be involved in multiple gunfights than the average person.

Besides, If you have enough assailants as to require you to need more than six shots, you're screwed regardless of whether your pistol is of the revolving or semiauto persuasion.
You can only shoot one bad guy at a time.

Mall Ninja is meant to denigrate idiotic goobers who have delusions of grandeur/heroism, and pick their weapons and accessories based upon what their favorite Hollyweird action stars use in a ficticious video depiction of police/military action.
The fact that neither the goobers, nor the Hollyweird actors are qualified to carry Jim Cirillo's (RIP) jockstrap is immaterial to them. They are legends and gun experts in their own minds.
Much like the folks who think Glocks have good triggers and DA revolvers are hard to learn how to shoot accurately.
__________________
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
Jaymo is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 07:41 PM   #148
TestPilot
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 5, 2006
Posts: 696
Quote:
Using Cirillo as an example of having to fire more than six rounds in a fight, is flawed.
Cirillo was hamstrung by the poor choices of ammo available (and department approved) for .38 Spl at the time.
He did not obey the department regulations. He refused to use department ammo as mandated and that was one of the reasons he was at odds with his superior.

Also, the issue goes beyond simple ammo performance issue. Some of his suspects kept going after receiving a 00 Buck shot blast. Some people just needs a lot of convincing that he should be down. Do you think Cirillo would have just said "Eh, he got shot 6 times and did not go down. Let's give up. May be it's my time to die."?

Instead of throwing around terms about "idiotic goobers" to allude to people who dare disagree with you, why not try actually doing some research on a person who you are using to make your case?

Quote:
Besides, as a member of the Stakeout Squad, he was MUCH more likely to be involved in multiple gunfights than the average person.
...
As stated many times before, probability of getting into a gun fight is irrelevant to how much threat you will face when you get in one.

Robbers he faced were the very same ones robbing regular people in NYC.

Do you think Cirillo carried a Glock after his retirement because he planned on doing private stakeouts?


Quote:
Besides, If you have enough assailants as to require you to need more than six shots, you're screwed regardless of whether your pistol is of the revolving or semiauto persuasion.
You can only shoot one bad guy at a time.
No. You made up that assumption to deny there can be any problem with your position.

There are people who did survive more than one assailants in a gun fight.

Lance Thomas was one of them, and the amount of rounds he had in hand played a very critical role in it.

Last edited by TestPilot; August 8, 2014 at 07:54 PM.
TestPilot is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 08:41 PM   #149
Twiki357
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 26, 2011
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
Posts: 1,069
Who Said Wheelguns Are Passe'?.... Not me!

My current count is 28 revolvers v 6 semi-auto’s. All I carry is a “J” frame. I don’t expect to get into any North Hollywood bank shoot outs, so I feel comfortable with 5 and a reload.
Twiki357 is offline  
Old August 8, 2014, 08:45 PM   #150
Jaymo
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 21, 2010
Posts: 3,245
Being unable to shoot more than one assailant at a time is not an assumption, it's a fact.
You can only fire one round for each pull of the trigger.
Please explain to me how an auto is going to make you less screwed than a revolver, when being attacked by multiple attackers.
Only Cow Yun Fat and Jackie Chan can fight more than one man at a time, and only in movies (fiction, ever heard of it?).

Jim Cirillo did not have the ammo available to him that we have now.
And, the fact that it was his job to get into gunfights with armed assailants is very relevant. His job was to confront extremely violent pairs/groups of men who were robbing businesses. His involvement in multiple gunfights was a forgone conclusion.
The same is not true for us. We can avoid most situations where a weapon would be required. We can avoid bad areas (most of the time). He could not. It was his JOB to intervene in such situations.By the very nature of his job, he was going to get into gunfights with multiple assailants.
He also was not doing it alone. Had he been doing that job by himself all that time, he would have been dead, regardless of what gun he had, short of full auto and head to toe armor.

Lance Thomas? What does an overpaid athlete have to do with this?
I'm kidding.
In some ways, your example of Lance Thomas is a great one.
In other ways, it's not.
His profession of being a Rolex dealer put him into a high risk situation in any city.
Jewelers tend to have good security for good reason. I knew one who kept an Uzi under the counter. Yes, an actual Israeli Uzi.
Lance's decision to go with autos over revolvers was based on his personal feelings that they would serve him better than his revolvers would. Truth is, they did not.
His revolvers never jammed on him, as did his SIG 9mm.

He ended his first fight with only 3 of 5 rounds from a Chief's Special.
In his fights, he was lucky enough to have had the majority of his assailants not be fully committed to the violent act. Some of them stayed and fought, others had stronger wills to live.

He was an extreme case. An exceedingly rare case. The vast majority of people who get into armed confrontations (among non-LEOs) do not experience what he did.

He also did just as well with his revolvers as he did with his autos, except that he appeared to have to shoot the BGs more times with his autos than with his revolvers.
Could have been ammo choice, but it's damned foolish to try to make an argument against a 125 grain .357 magnum projectile being the top of the heap in terms of handgun manstoppers.

Yes, some men require a lot of killin'. That being the case, how would any handgun fare better than a load of 12 gauge buckshot that failed to stop a BG?
I can see where a 12 gauge slug would fare better, but not a revolver nor autopistol round.


I stand by my factual statement about mall ninjas. I've never met one who didn't fit my description.
You wouldn't be a mall ninja, would you? You protest as though it hits too close to home.

Feel free to disagree with me all you want. It's a free country and you are allowed to do so. But, once I become dictator, you're going to the gulag.

BTW, I have and still do carry autos AND revolvers.
Sometimes I carry a 1911, SR9, PT99, CZ82, CZ52, PT111, TZ75, Witness .45, M45 Firestar. Not all at the same time. Might as well carry a cop, as to carry that much iron.

Sometimes I carry a Colt, Smith, Ruger, Taurus .38, Smith, Ruger, DW .357, Charter .44 Spl, Taurus .44 Mag, Ruger .44 Spl, Ruger .45 Colt, Ruger .44 Mag, Ruger .32 H&R, Smith .32 S&W Long.
Depends on my mood.
My Smith 36 is the one that goes everywhere with me.
Sometimes my Taurus Judge goes loaded with .410 birdshot. It's a snake gun for me, and nothing more.

Anyhoo, have a nice day.
__________________
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
Jaymo is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation by vB Optimise.
This site, its contents, Shooting Reviews, and its contents are Copyright (c) 2010-2013 Firearms Forum, Inc.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages.