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Old August 24, 2014, 10:54 AM   #51
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But Jim, that wasn't the OP's premise.

I agree that Lee FCD is a viable option but why would THR members take away an excuse to buy another firearm?

I can just hear THR members telling their significant others, "Honey, now that I have match grade tight 1911s, I need "combat grade" pistols that will EAT ANYTHING"
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Old August 24, 2014, 04:08 PM   #52
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Obviously, Glocks need not apply due to their rifling,
Grab some calipers and a bullet puller. Pull a few different headstamps from each of your 9mm reloads and measure the diameter at the base of the bullet.

If the diameter is greater than .356, and if the lead isn't too hard, a Glock barrel will more than likely shoot them clean as a whistle. Glock barrels are my cleanest shooting barrels. I never have to clean them when shooting cast. Not the chambers, not the throats, not the bores. I don't shoot x number of rounds between cleanings. I just keep shooting and shooting. I've surpassed 3k cast rounds in the Glock 9mm, and the inside of the barrel still passes for new.

Having said that, most people's 9mm reloads will measure smaller at the base, because the 9mm case swages the bullet. With typical mixed brass and normal seating depth you practically need a special expander to make good 9mm cast reloads. If the bases of the bullets are getting swaged to under .356, they may still shoot ok (not great) out of other guns, but they will lead a Glock, badly.

Glock 9mms have a generous chamber cut and a very generous throat/leade. If a reload with a bad crimp or OAL won't fit a Glock, then there aren't many guns around in which it will. If your cast reloads are fit for it (OD of the base of the bullet), the Glock could be the way to go.

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Old August 25, 2014, 02:15 PM   #53
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It'd still be Glock for me. They will shoot lead just fine. Just need to clean a little more vigorously after. 2nd choice would be a tie between 3rd gen S&W or Ruger P series.
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Old August 25, 2014, 06:03 PM   #54
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Indeed saying glocks won't work for lead because of the rifling is just wrong, If it's leading there's another problem besides the rifling. Now the Rifling does cause some problems in 9mm for example if you get above 147gr bullet like 160 to 170gr the rifling can't stabilize the bullet and for some reason my glock chokes up really hard on SWC while my other pistols don't but I've shot 600 rds of lead through the 17 without cleaning it and it probably didn't even need it.

No such a weapon, reloads can stop any pistol if there made wrong.
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Old August 25, 2014, 09:37 PM   #55
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My Gen4 Glock 21 and Glock 22 both pass the steel case Tulammo test with flying colors, I wouldn't feed these "trash-cans" to any of my other guns on a dare! The local ranges won't let me use these anyway!
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Old August 26, 2014, 06:21 AM   #56
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The most reliable guns I saw in action with bad handloads (in not particular order):
Beretta 92FS;
CZ SP-01;
Beretta Px4 Storm;
Walther P99 AS;
SIG-Sauer P226.
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Old August 30, 2014, 01:52 AM   #57
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"Combat grade" has always been good enough for me. A pretty gun would look like a bar of gold in a puddle of mud in my safe!
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Old August 30, 2014, 04:11 AM   #58
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That post is the truth. Measure the ammo. There are ways to correct sizing issue's. But what the heck you want pistols with sloppy chambers that will feed anything. Look no farther than Glock. My two favorite rounds are 10mm and .357 Sig. The only chamber I've ever seen from Glock done right is there .357 Sig barrels. I haven't shot one round through my G20's OEM worthless barrel. And I've seen enough Glocked brass in 9mm, .40 short and weak and .45acp. I've learned a NIB Glock is worth more NIB if they take there useless barrels out of them. If a whore loose Glock chamber won't chamber and fire a 1k rounds of grandfathers ammo, nothing new in the the current market won't.
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Old September 1, 2014, 06:34 PM   #59
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My XD45 and my M&P9c both fall into the "eat anything" family.
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Old September 1, 2014, 07:09 PM   #60
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Old September 1, 2014, 08:45 PM   #61
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I haven't shot one round through my G20's OEM worthless barrel. And I've seen enough Glocked brass in 9mm, .40 short and weak and .45acp. I've learned a NIB Glock is worth more NIB if they take there useless barrels out of them. If a whore loose Glock chamber won't chamber and fire a 1k rounds of grandfathers ammo, nothing new in the the current market won't.
Well geez. Don't hold back so much! Tell us how you really feel!
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Old September 1, 2014, 10:09 PM   #62
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Ok, I will be a contrarian. If the rounds are out of spec, you don't what the pistol to be able to shoot them. Only a pistol with such an over sized chamber would function with that stuff and it would not shoot anything with accuracy.

Jim Watson gave the best advice:
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I'd try a Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die before I bought a new gun (and which of the many mentioned here?) to shoot up Gramp's reloads.
That costs less than $20 and will push the over sized rounds back into spec. You can also then use it with your future handloads for a better finished product.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/716...cp-45-auto-rim
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Old September 2, 2014, 02:08 AM   #63
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My sig p229 will eat anything I put in it and my p220 will eat anything. So will my xdm 9mms. That said I've never tried to shoot random reloads out of any of them. I would be hesitant to do so.
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Old September 2, 2014, 04:31 PM   #64
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Old September 3, 2014, 06:49 PM   #65
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Old September 3, 2014, 06:52 PM   #66
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Throw that garbage ammo away... you're going to blow something up.

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Old September 3, 2014, 07:23 PM   #67
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I've been very lucky to have several firearms that refuse to choke on anything.

Two that stand out are also the least expensive of the pack.

The first is a Bersa UC9. It has seen some yucky stuff, including some rancid American Ammunition that was nothing less than garbage. Most was pulled for the copper plated bullets. I felt even that was a waste of time, but that's another story. Anyway, the UC9 chomped through what I had left and this same stuff that (my otherwise trusty) Kahr K9 puked on was fine through that pistol.

The second is my RIA 1911. My other 1911s will occasionally fail to feed my 200gr SWC (on occasion mind you, I'm not sloppy). However, this RIA 1911 works wonderfully with everything.

I do not own any pistols that are unreliable, but sometimes I'll stumble upon a particular round one of my pistol doesn't like. So far, I haven't found this round with either the RIA or UC9.

RIA far right


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Old September 3, 2014, 10:32 PM   #68
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Another vote for Ruger P series if you must shoot dubious oddball reloaded ammo because you can.
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Old September 3, 2014, 10:38 PM   #69
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My 4506 will feed empty casings...seriously
I have a Springfield 1911, a Sig p220, and XD40 that will do the same. The 1911 did jam once with a cheapo 8 round mag.
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Old September 24, 2014, 01:10 AM   #70
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Thank you everyone for the replies and advice. I definitely read every post with enthusiasm and interest. I wanted to update my situation if anyone cares or considers following this issue.

Recently, a favorite gun store of mine had a stellar deal on a Hi-Point .45 ($150) brand new. I bought it, because even if it is terrible, it's a cheap Hi-Point with a lifetime warranty, and it will be guilt free when I thrash it around.

Also, my girlfriend is buying me another new handgun for my birthday/christmas/valentines-day/every-other-holiday soon (yes, she's a keeper. A good way to get a new gun every year is have your significant other buy you one cheap gun that will be the gift for the entire ear. Easy for her, awesome for you). I will either be a CZ, a CZ clone, or a Ruger of some sort (P-95 or 9E) in 9mm.

For my Star and Para 1911, I have been working on the magazines, polishing the chambers, and looking to replace all the springs. The Para and my new 9mm will only have a diet of factory ammo. The Star will continue to be my range toy with the junk 9mm reloads and the Hi-Point will eat the junk .45 reloads.

My plans will be to range test all 4 against each other one final time in what I will call an "internal torture test" to see which gun will do the best eating only the nastiest of the nasty ammo. It will really prove nothing and serve no purpose, except to be fun, and maybe see which gun will be good if the world ends and only gnarly ammo exists in the wasteland.... yeah... I went there

I will post my findings and might make a video if it ends up being entertaining/funny. If the Hi-Point does best, then I might cry....
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Old September 25, 2014, 06:37 PM   #71
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Old September 25, 2014, 06:50 PM   #72
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Beretta 92. Rounds feed almost directly into the non-tilting barrel rather than up a feed ramp, where crappy handloads can easily get hung up. Same holds true for the non-tilting barrel of the PX4.
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Old September 26, 2014, 08:48 PM   #73
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I have an Astra 400 which will feed anything up to and including empty cases! TOP THAT!

It especially likes 148 gr wadcutters intended for a 38 SPL.

I have had the gun for forty years, and have put over three thousand rounds of anything you can name through it. It has NEVER jammed once...EVER.

It is the most reliable auto pistol I have ever owned.

Now... If I could just figure out what it is good for....other than plinking...
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Old September 26, 2014, 09:50 PM   #74
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Ruger P90.
Yes, my P90s chew up almost any ammo and spit it out.
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Old September 26, 2014, 09:52 PM   #75
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My sig p229 will eat anything I put in it and my p220 will eat anything. So will my xdm 9mms. That said I've never tried to shoot random reloads out of any of them. I would be hesitant to do so.
Really, usually Sig people won't put anything but match grade ammo in their Sigs.
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