4473 Question

StopTheGrays · August 10, 2004, 07:25 PM

If you are a dealer transferring an action with no barrel attached and no caliber listed on the box, action, or receipt, how would you enter the caliber in your bound book or on the 4473 form? The AFT field offices so far have been closed or "make a notation for future reference" (called the West coast offices, 5 of them, only one person in and that is the answer I got as well as "never heard of that before"

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Dionysusigma · August 10, 2004, 08:22 PM

Just a guess...

I'd have to say that whatever the most common caliber for a particular receiver is would be what is written on the form. If it's an AR-15 receiver, then .223/5.56 would suffice (even though there's also 6.5, 6.8, .50, .50 BMG, .308, etc.).

I'm not an expert on the subject, though...

thatguy · August 10, 2004, 08:57 PM

I always listed N/A and under firearm type I added "action only" beneath bolt, pump, etc. I think it unwise to list a caliber that is incorrect, as in guessing at one where it does not yet exist.

EOD Guy · August 11, 2004, 09:50 AM

I agree with thatguy. Just put NA and explain that it is an action only. Another good tip. If there is something even a little bit out of the ordinary on your records, attach a note explaining what you did. It can be hard to remember why you did something a year later during an inspection.

StopTheGrays · August 11, 2004, 11:50 AM

I sort of did that. I wrote ".308*" for the caliber. That is the caliber the guy said he was going use for the action. I noted his intention using a note on the next line as well as pointing out the action did not have a caliber.

On an aside, it sort of shows why ballistic testing of new firearms are BS, this is just one way to get around it.

Hemicuda · August 11, 2004, 12:04 PM

there HAS to be some provision for this... just think about Thompson-Center... the Contender and Encore models come in an "action only" AND multi-caliber packages...

and, in Michigan, where handgun registration is in place, they HAVE to leace the caliber spot blank on the registration, because these are not a fixed-caliber gun!

StopTheGrays · August 11, 2004, 01:03 PM

According to local ATF office (after much head scratching on their part":

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Just write "action only" under the caliber section on the 4473 and the bound log book.

And there is no writen rule about it that they are aware of.

BTW...He was helpful and did not sound arogant or anything. Of the 20 something times I have called them over the last two years only twice have I thought the person on the other end was a jerk.

JeepDriver · August 11, 2004, 07:46 PM

I always put receiver kit

We just had an audit 2 weeks ago and they didn't say anything about it to me

StopTheGrays · August 12, 2004, 10:49 AM

What happens during an audit and what can I do to make sure it goes as smooth as possible?

Onmilo · August 12, 2004, 09:38 PM

List it as "RCVR", receiver only along with action type, semi auto, bolt, etc..
You can list the caliber as "all" or "N/A" for not applicable.

August 10, 2004, 07:25 PM	#1
StopTheGrays Member Join Date: June 25, 2004 Location: WI Posts: 600	4473 Question If you are a dealer transferring an action with no barrel attached and no caliber listed on the box, action, or receipt, how would you enter the caliber in your bound book or on the 4473 form? The AFT field offices so far have been closed or "make a notation for future reference" (called the West coast offices, 5 of them, only one person in and that is the answer I got as well as "never heard of that before" ) __________________ Best News Story Title...EVER: ATF rids Univ. of ninja threat Looking for a Japanese Type 26 revolver. PM me if you have one to sell. Thanks.

August 11, 2004, 11:50 AM	#5
StopTheGrays Member Join Date: June 25, 2004 Location: WI Posts: 600	I sort of did that. I wrote ".308*" for the caliber. That is the caliber the guy said he was going use for the action. I noted his intention using a note on the next line as well as pointing out the action did not have a caliber. On an aside, it sort of shows why ballistic testing of new firearms are BS, this is just one way to get around it. __________________ Best News Story Title...EVER: ATF rids Univ. of ninja threat Looking for a Japanese Type 26 revolver. PM me if you have one to sell. Thanks.

August 12, 2004, 10:49 AM	#9
StopTheGrays Member Join Date: June 25, 2004 Location: WI Posts: 600	What happens during an audit and what can I do to make sure it goes as smooth as possible? __________________ Best News Story Title...EVER: ATF rids Univ. of ninja threat Looking for a Japanese Type 26 revolver. PM me if you have one to sell. Thanks.

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August 10, 2004, 08:57 PM	#3
thatguy Member Join Date: April 10, 2004 Posts: 1,166	I always listed N/A and under firearm type I added "action only" beneath bolt, pump, etc. I think it unwise to list a caliber that is incorrect, as in guessing at one where it does not yet exist.

August 11, 2004, 09:50 AM	#4
EOD Guy Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Concord, CA Posts: 902	I agree with thatguy. Just put NA and explain that it is an action only. Another good tip. If there is something even a little bit out of the ordinary on your records, attach a note explaining what you did. It can be hard to remember why you did something a year later during an inspection.

August 11, 2004, 12:04 PM	#6
Hemicuda member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Middle of the Mitten!, Michigan Posts: 1,064	there HAS to be some provision for this... just think about Thompson-Center... the Contender and Encore models come in an "action only" AND multi-caliber packages... and, in Michigan, where handgun registration is in place, they HAVE to leace the caliber spot blank on the registration, because these are not a fixed-caliber gun!

August 11, 2004, 07:46 PM	#8
JeepDriver Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: White Marsh, Maryland Posts: 921	I always put receiver kit We just had an audit 2 weeks ago and they didn't say anything about it to me

August 12, 2004, 09:38 PM	#10
Onmilo Member Join Date: July 26, 2004 Location: Illinois` Posts: 6,273	List it as "RCVR", receiver only along with action type, semi auto, bolt, etc.. You can list the caliber as "all" or "N/A" for not applicable.