One of the first CCW shootings out of Chicago that made the news?

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Pretty sure this is one of the first CCW shootings in Chicago that made it in the news. Notice they referenced the Michigan Home Depot incident where the female CCW blazed away at shoplifters.





http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...-Robbery-of-Gage-Park-Business-339159632.html





Police: Man With Concealed Carry Permit Fatally Shoots Robber in Chicago Business

Posted by Bob Owens on November 1, 2015 at 1:07 pm

A customer with a concealed carry license shot and killed an armed man attempting to rob a neighborhood store, Chicago police said Sunday.
A masked man walked into Envios de Dinero, a currency exchange located in the 7200 block of West 51st Street on the city's Southwest Side, at about 7 p.m. Saturday, displayed a handgun and announced a robbery to an employee, police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said. The gunman next pointed his weapon at another employee and forced her to the back of the store.

The armed customer then fatally shot the man.

It wasn't immediately clear whether the customer, who has not been identified, will face charges. Guglielmi said the case is under review by local prosecutors, but the preliminary details suggest that the customer was not at fault.
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NBC can't say the armed citizen did an armed job & let it go at that. They are determined to try to cast any citizen using a gun to defend themselves or others in a negative light. It seems as if the citizen in this situation did well. The mainstream media are a bunch of biased hacks. They are little more than the propaganda machine of the left wing political movement.
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-concealed-carry-20151101-story.html

this article has a stepson of the deceased claiming that CCW shooters should be able to "wound first" and "kill next"

Oronsaye said he wasn't convinced the shooter acted properly.

"Some people don't actually know how to use guns," he said. "They go to firing ranges, but it's not the same as a bullet going into someone's body, it's not the same as a bullet going into flesh. They should be able to wound first, kill next. He didn't deserve to get shot multiple times.
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where do people get this stuff??
 
I find it interesting how 'relatives' of the perp all have the same narrative. They all seem to think an armed robbery doesn't deserve an armed, potentially fatal response. It's as if they feel it's a 'right' in their mind to rob and plunder using any means necessary. Anyone countering this belief needs to use kid gloves.:confused:
 
But in order to get an Illinois concealed handgun license, one must prove they know how to use a gun.

And if the perp was shot multiple times, as the stepson was quoted as saying, I'd say he was wounded first, killed next. So what's his problem with the outcome?

When will someone just come out and say their kin was a dirtbag and it was only a matter of time before they were shot and killed?
 
But in order to get an Illinois concealed handgun license, one must prove they know how to use a gun.

And if the perp was shot multiple times, as the stepson was quoted as saying, I'd say he was wounded first, killed next. So what's his problem with the outcome?

When will someone just come out and say their kin was a dirtbag and it was only a matter of time before they were shot and killed?
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Rarely.



Having a previous robbery conviction in his past doesn't help his case.




I remember one where armed gunmen at a diner took people's belongns and were walking them to the backroom I believe when a CCW'r whipped out a gun and killed them both.


Family of perps said, "Why'd he kill them? He didn't know why they were taking them to the backroom?? and "How do they get to be judge, jury, and executioner? It's up to the court to decide."


......Right. I don't want the court to convict them for my homocide that I could have prevented.
 
It's as if they feel it's a 'right' in their mind to rob and plunder using any means necessary
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That in fact is it in my opinion.

They think whoever they rob will have no trouble replacing what they stole from them, and anyone who resists is just to insensitive/stupid to live.

They think they have a right to rob because they have'nt been treated fairly. (only the women and children can get welfare)

Sometimes they get a little confused in the middle of all that tension, and just go ahead and shoot their victims no matter what. (easier to get by with crime when there are no witnesses)
 
They should be able to wound first, kill next. He didn't deserve to get shot multiple times.
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This is the kind of stuff that happens when you start calling handouts, "welfare" then that becomes a bad word so you switch to "entitlements". This is the only way I can figure a criminal threatening others with a gun doesn't deserve a reaction in kind. After all one is entitled to money taken from someone else.

The guy was just helping the .gov with "wealth redistribution" and not a convicted criminal (at least for the crime he was committing at the time of his death) the news would have reported him as "the alleged gunman".
 
"He was a good kid, he was starting to turn his life around".

Standard answer from family members of a slain robber. Must be a book somewhere, they all seem to have the exact same response.
 
I prefer not to be shot, so I don't commit armed robberies or any other crimes. It's really not that complicated. Someone should explain this to this criminal's family.
 
TomJ said:
I prefer not to be shot, so I don't commit armed robberies or any other crimes. It's really not that complicated. Someone should explain this to this criminal's family.
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LOL! Yes, this!

Speaking of, the shooter should be in the clear on IL's justified use of force laws.

(720 ILCS 5/Art. 7 heading)
ARTICLE 7. JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE; EXONERATION

(720 ILCS 5/7-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-1)
Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person.
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 93-832, eff. 7-28-04.)
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Forcible felony is defined as:

(720 ILCS 5/2-8) (from Ch. 38, par. 2-8)
Sec. 2-8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
(Source: P.A. 88-277; 89-428, eff. 12-13-95; 89-462, eff. 5-29-96.)
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I recall Massad Ayoob's article about "The Marine" who was in a fast food restaurant when some robbers herded the employees and customers into a back room. That behavior indicates intent to "leave no witnesses", as that has happened too often. Once in the back room, the Marine felt he had no recourse other than to defend his and the other peoples' lives. He emptied his 1911 into the two robbers. Justified.

I'm sure that kind of thing went through OP's customer's head. God bless him.
 
Chicago PD announced no charges will be filed against the shooter, today!

Glad my crystal ball is still working. :evil:

That had to be a REAL tough pill for them to swallow on that news release.
 
In post #8 USMarine032_2005 mentioned a self defense shooting where 2 men robbed a restaurant. The Chicago CCW guy may have recalled 2 incidents in Chicago where people were taken to the "back room". The Brown's Chicken Restaurant Massacre in Palatine Illinois, a Chicago suburb, in 1993 when 7 employees were murdered. in 2008 in Tinley Park, a Chicago suburb, 5 women were killed in the Lane Bryant Massacre.

Illinois has concealed carry now and we are getting some better endings to stories like that robbery and the event involving the Uber driver.

A bank here in Southern Illinois has a picture of a gun with a green circle around it that says SECURITY NOTICE: Lawfully concealed weapons are allowed on this property. Its on the door of the First Bank and Trust in Murphysboro, Illinois and also its Carbondale, Illinois branch. We are a long way from Chicago, about 300 miles.
 
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Speedo66 said:
"He was a good kid, he was starting to turn his life around".

Standard answer from family members of a slain robber. Must be a book somewhere, they all seem to have the exact same response.
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Don't forget that "he was an aspiring rapper".
 
USAF Vet: You asked why people don't call their hardcore criminal relatives "dirtbags".

Well, for the other viewers (lurkers) who have not figured it out, it's probably accurate to say that the entire family might consist of "dirtbags"-sometimes. They don't know the difference between right and wrong, or don't care.
 
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