Can out of staters possess firearms or ammo in Illinois, without a carry license?
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wnycollector
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Just wondering if anyone has an opinion on this part of post #29?
"It looks like now I can keep my pistol loaded while in the car and when in the hotel room, but so I need to unload it between the car and hotel room?"
"It looks like now I can keep my pistol loaded while in the car and when in the hotel room, but so I need to unload it between the car and hotel room?"
ljnowell
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Yes. You can keep the pistol loaded in the hotel room. If you have a carry permit from your home state you can keep it loaded in your car, even on your person in the car. You cannot, however, step foot out of your vehicle with the pistol loaded. Not to pump gas, not to check your tires, and certainly not to enter a hotel.
Blackbeard
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I would wager that by now most cops are aware of the Illinois CCW, and if you are stopped with a gun they will ask to see your permit. They are probably aware of some of the prohibited zones but probably not all of them. They are probably not aware of the signage requirement. Most are probably not aware of the status of out-of-state license holders.
If an out-of-stater is stopped with a gun, he will probably be detained while they sort out what the law is. If the person has a valid out-of-state license and was in their car, they'll probably be released after a moderate delay. If they're from a state with no license requirement, I'd guess it's likely they get arrested for carrying without a permit, and it will be dismissed in court once it's established that no permit was required. But they'll still be booked, have to bond out, and their car impounded.
That's my prediction for encounters with IL police. Your mileage may vary.
If an out-of-stater is stopped with a gun, he will probably be detained while they sort out what the law is. If the person has a valid out-of-state license and was in their car, they'll probably be released after a moderate delay. If they're from a state with no license requirement, I'd guess it's likely they get arrested for carrying without a permit, and it will be dismissed in court once it's established that no permit was required. But they'll still be booked, have to bond out, and their car impounded.
That's my prediction for encounters with IL police. Your mileage may vary.
ljnowell
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Illinois Carry, our grass roots organization did a very good job of helping to make sure that police officers were knowledgeable of the law, as did the Illinois State Police. Every officer in the state was trained on out if state policy. I don't think people will experience many issues. It's been out law now for two years and there hasn't been any issues with it. If there were people would be screaming about it on the internet.
Even the ever hated city of Chicago has played nice with concealed carry.
Which is it? Either "Every officer in the state was trained on out if state policy." OR the "truth" according to you is LEOS especially are not going to be informed.
That's quite the contradiction even if you were to properly word it. You wrote "if" instead of "of"
It is still going to be the LEO that makes the call. IF you are right, the problem is still what Blackbeard wrote.
You still haven't proven your interpretation of the law and yet you say that every officer in the state was trained on out OF state policy and in your earlier post you say they aren't informed and show a general disdain for law enforcement.
You're somebody I believe because YOU know everything which is actually nothing.
Ever hear "Ignorantia juris non excusat?" because you are spouting it.
Like I said I'm done with this unless an attorney familiar with Illinois law chimes in. I will not argue law interpretation with someone who constantly contradicts themselves.
wnycollector
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Thanks!
ljnowell
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Can out of staters possess firearms or ammo in Illinois, without a carry lice...
Blah, blah, blah. More of no facts, nothing but insults and heresay. I won't stoop to your level. There is no contradiction and you know it. Your feeble attempts at discrediting someone who plainly knows way more than you do is comical.
I encourage you to venture over to http:\\www.illinoiscarry.com and get an education. Then you won't look so silly arguing things like the need for a FOID to get an out of state carry permit.
It appears others here can see who to listen to regarding illinois law.
Btw, attempting to pit me against law enforcement is quite funny. Perhaps you may run into me at one of the Illinois Police Association pistol matches or events this year. I've been a member for some time. You may enjoy our matches.
Blah, blah, blah. More of no facts, nothing but insults and heresay. I won't stoop to your level. There is no contradiction and you know it. Your feeble attempts at discrediting someone who plainly knows way more than you do is comical.
I encourage you to venture over to http:\\www.illinoiscarry.com and get an education. Then you won't look so silly arguing things like the need for a FOID to get an out of state carry permit.
It appears others here can see who to listen to regarding illinois law.
Btw, attempting to pit me against law enforcement is quite funny. Perhaps you may run into me at one of the Illinois Police Association pistol matches or events this year. I've been a member for some time. You may enjoy our matches.
A great many LEO's are rather ignorant to gun laws, particularly carry laws
ljnowell
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It doesn't matter. To those who are uninformed facts don't matter. Nevermind the fact that Valinda and Mike Rowe of Illinois Carry have worked hand in hand with the Illinois State Police establishing training for officers. Or we can forget that Todd Vandermyde, NRA lobbyist who helped craft this bill with Brandon Phelps, has been doing the same.
What our friend above wants is to make us insist cops are stupid because we don't take legal advice from them. The fact is he tried to spread fear and rumors on this thread and will joe do anything he can to try and discredit people who told him he was wrong.
And I'm sure there are officers who know the law, or will find out what the law is, or least what they can/should do, if and when one of the ignorant officers finds him or herself in a situation where they want to know.
But just talking to officers or asking them personally what gun or carry laws are, when they have no skin in the game to get it right, and aren't going up the chain to get a good answer for handling a current official situation? NopeNopeNope
ljnowell
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Here's the problem with your argument and proves my point.
For the sake of discussion lets ASSUME that you are 100% correct.
Just for the sake of this discussion.
If you read Warps last two posts they pretty much say that LEOs DONT know the Laws.
Post #59 CLEARLY says that.
Post #61
Handling a current official situation being the key here. Then NopeNopeNope which I take to mean as NO.
Going up the chain to get a good answer for handling a current official situation is going to the determining factor on whether you are going to be arrested. Remember I'm still ASSUMING you are correct.
If arrested this what happens and roughly what it costs. Many other LEOs showing up. Being arrested, read your rights, handcuffed and taken for a ride in the back seat of squad car. Your vehicle being towed and impounded. Being processed at the local PD or ISP barracks. Possibly being transferred to a County jail (that's a call that's made at the PD on whether they want to deal with you). Post bond/$100-$500. Get a court date. Retrieve the impounded vehicle/ At the very least $500 of which you have to pay $400 at the PD just to find the tow yard. Pay the remaining money at the tow yard/ Tow fee, storage fee and hope that your vehicle is OK. Go to court at a future date. Case dismissed. Bond given back minus court costs, usually at least $100. All charges dropped but now you have an arrest record in Illinois that follows you for the rest of your life. You get back to your life thinking "I am pretty sure that was the worst vacation ever"
That's ASSUMING you are right.
I am very familiar with Illinois Carry because of people I know that are HEAVILY involved with it but I don't throw that around.
Speaking of Illinois Carry I have ventured over to their website to this link:
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=43816
Now which states allow a non resident to apply for a IL CCL?
All 9 pages and all I found was Hawaii and Virginia.
I'm glad that civilians think they can school the Illinois State Police in the laws.
You know because as you stated that I "make us insist cops are stupid because we don't take legal advice from them."
You did that all by yourself by agreeing with Warp. I didn't have to do a thing.
Now that I have given this argument ASSUMING that you are correct and you have posted nothing that actually remotely proves that I am wrong, imagine how badly it will be for an out of Stater with a permit from their State gets in trouble based on your "knowledge".
Basically you can stop this whole discussion if you can post ONE link to what States CCL permits are valid in Illinois other than Hawaii and Virginia.
Post link that proves this and this whole thing stops.
Until then I assume you are wrong because that is the first thing you would have posted.
BTW, I'm not your friend.
For the sake of discussion lets ASSUME that you are 100% correct.
Just for the sake of this discussion.
If you read Warps last two posts they pretty much say that LEOs DONT know the Laws.
Post #59 CLEARLY says that.
Post #61
Which you AGREE with would be the issue.
Handling a current official situation being the key here. Then NopeNopeNope which I take to mean as NO.
Going up the chain to get a good answer for handling a current official situation is going to the determining factor on whether you are going to be arrested. Remember I'm still ASSUMING you are correct.
If arrested this what happens and roughly what it costs. Many other LEOs showing up. Being arrested, read your rights, handcuffed and taken for a ride in the back seat of squad car. Your vehicle being towed and impounded. Being processed at the local PD or ISP barracks. Possibly being transferred to a County jail (that's a call that's made at the PD on whether they want to deal with you). Post bond/$100-$500. Get a court date. Retrieve the impounded vehicle/ At the very least $500 of which you have to pay $400 at the PD just to find the tow yard. Pay the remaining money at the tow yard/ Tow fee, storage fee and hope that your vehicle is OK. Go to court at a future date. Case dismissed. Bond given back minus court costs, usually at least $100. All charges dropped but now you have an arrest record in Illinois that follows you for the rest of your life. You get back to your life thinking "I am pretty sure that was the worst vacation ever"
That's ASSUMING you are right.
I am very familiar with Illinois Carry because of people I know that are HEAVILY involved with it but I don't throw that around.
Speaking of Illinois Carry I have ventured over to their website to this link:
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=43816
Now which states allow a non resident to apply for a IL CCL?
All 9 pages and all I found was Hawaii and Virginia.
I'm glad that civilians think they can school the Illinois State Police in the laws.
You know because as you stated that I "make us insist cops are stupid because we don't take legal advice from them."
You did that all by yourself by agreeing with Warp. I didn't have to do a thing.
Now that I have given this argument ASSUMING that you are correct and you have posted nothing that actually remotely proves that I am wrong, imagine how badly it will be for an out of Stater with a permit from their State gets in trouble based on your "knowledge".
Basically you can stop this whole discussion if you can post ONE link to what States CCL permits are valid in Illinois other than Hawaii and Virginia.
Post link that proves this and this whole thing stops.
Until then I assume you are wrong because that is the first thing you would have posted.
BTW, I'm not your friend.
And since they wouldn't have reason to arrest you...they probably aren't going to arrest you, now are they?
ljnowell
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ljnowell
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Don't bother. He is still arguing settled parts of the law and attempting to justify the misinformation he gave. He is good quality entertainment with his attack posts, but that's about it.
I just hope no one is foolish enough to follow his "advice."
ljnowell
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I'll play along, just one more time. Please show me where anyone said that any states permits were valid in Illinois. If you can quote me saying that I'll send you 100 dollars.
Anyone possessing a permit from any other state can carry a loaded firearm in their car. I've said that multiple times. If you still refuse to accept that because your FFL buddy or the cop you know that's an expert says otherwise, then you are wrong. The worst kind of wrong because that makes you too lazy to look it up yourself. That is established fact and part of the FCCL. If you want me to look it up for you I will be glad to, for the same $100 I offered you. Wanna take it?
Same goes for the FOID for out of staters. There are more than two states that can get permits and IL has issued out of state permits. We do FOIA requests at Illinois Carry to follow such things. If you hung out there more often you wouldn't waste your time arguing facts.
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