California set to ban most semi-auto rifles.

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gbran said:
Guv. Jerry Brown has rejected some of these elements in the past. There is no guarantee he will sign anything and every thing the legislature sends his direction.

We need to send him letters.
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Very true. I'm a member of a gun club. One of the members sent concise, well-composed emails to everyone on a regular basis to keep them up to speed on the legislation and where to write.

The whining and doomsday crying to his emails was absolutely repulsive. Talk about defeatism! Talk about apathy!

Then Brown did the right thing...
 
Wanderling said:
Sorry but you couldn't pay me to live in CA. And it's got very little to do with gun control.

It's like NYC - some people can't imagine not living in it, others can't imagine living there. From my perspective, it's a vibrant, unique, expensive, well used and poorly maintained trash container. In more ways than one. No offense :)

CA will surely go it's own way, as long as the 2A constitutional challenges are not successful. I highly doubt that this would result in less crime - just the opposite.
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I'm very glad to hear that! CA already has far too many people. Your comments suggest you have no idea about CA though. It's by far the most diverse state in the union. From big cities, to farming and ranching to the High Sierras, to desolate desert to snowy mountains to gorgeous beaches. Some seem to think that CA is one huge city -- they couldn't be more wrong.
 
Tirod said:
There will be serious political fallout for enacting these pieces of legislation.

I would expect that some major makers would pull out of CA completely and refuse to bid LEO contracts. Unfortunately others will not and that will become an issue as some attempt to boycott them nationally.

The courts will get more than enough suits to overturn on Constitutional grounds.
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I too have no doubt the courts will ultimately prevail. That's one reason why I would NEVER give up my legally owned firearms. What's deemed "illegal" today may well not be tomorrow.

Tirod said:
The public who is most affected by their loss of the use of firearms will turn to other weapons. That happened in inner cities when the local jurisdictions outlawed automatic knives and they weren't available. The gangs started carrying small caliber firearms, and it only got worse. People will start arming themselves with other devices and it's going to be a hotbed for security sales.
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Criminals will NEVER stop using firearms -- no matter what the silly law might demand.

Tirod said:
Unfortunately, there will also be some who can't handle the situation and express their anger by acting it out in violence against those they feel are oppressing them. Expect MORE shootings which will only feed the antis who will say "We told you so." It will be ample evidence you can't stop a determined human from getting weapons but common sense isn't the coin of the realm in a state were everyone is a special snowflake deserving entitlement. What people forget is that the snow plows of progress push them all to the curb.
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That I doubt.

Tirod said:
The improvement of 2A rights has been the trend for a long time - CA will not be able keep these laws on the books and it will be shown to be a disaster for the anti's.
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I believe and hope that you are correct.
 
barnbwt said:
I love the folks who think CA will simply "let them leave" when it gets too bad, as though their freedom of movement will not have been restricted long before then.
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And how is California going to prevent people from exiting the state?
What is going to happen to restrict their movement that won't be struck down by the courts?
Maybe I lack imagination but I can't see that happening.
Anyway, enough people don't give a thought to firearms ownership that will stay in that state so that any exodus of gun owners won't bother the politicians --- in fact it may overjoy them.
 
Tommygunn said:
And how is California going to prevent people from exiting the state?
What is going to happen to restrict their movement that won't be struck down by the courts?
Maybe I lack imagination but I can't see that happening.
Anyway, enough people don't give a thought to firearms ownership that will stay in that state so that any exodus of gun owners won't bother the politicians --- in fact it may overjoy them.
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IF California actually had a decent number of people who cared about their Rights and Liberties, and IF those people left, it would end up helping 'our' cause by reducing the number of votes CA carries in the House of Representatives and their delegate number for POTUS. But I don't believe CA has that many people who care enough about their Rights and Liberties to do anything about these laws, or leave. The current stat of CA pretty soundly supports that, eh?
 
Aragon said:
I'm very glad to hear that! CA already has far too many people. Your comments suggest you have no idea about CA though. It's by far the most diverse state in the union. From big cities, to farming and ranching to the High Sierras, to desolate desert to snowy mountains to gorgeous beaches. Some seem to think that CA is one huge city -- they couldn't be more wrong.
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I've spent 6 months on a project in San Jose, commuting to San Fran 2-3 times a week. Had plenty of time to explore the state.

I also visit LA regularly, having a cousin there.

So I am somewhat acquainted with CA diversity. Which it does have plenty of. And the nature is indeed beautiful and versatile (but so is Michigan and Tennessee and many other states).

Also plenty of extremely shallow, narcissistic, superficial people incapable of development a strong relationship - romantic or friendship - with another person. Perhaps not in the rural CA but hordes of them in the coastal areas.

Plus, lots of illegal aliens... lots of crazies... too many cars... too high rents... too many druggies... too many people that need stronger anti-psychotics... too much of everything not related to nature.

Not saying that other states don't have this, or that everyone there is like that - but the proportion is not in CA favor... just in my humble, personal, very subjective opinion.
 
Also plenty of extremely shallow, narcissistic, superficial people incapable of development a strong relationship - romantic or friendship - with another person. Perhaps not in the rural CA but hordes of them in the coastal areas.

Plus, lots of illegal aliens... lots of crazies... too many cars... too high rents... too many druggies... too many people that need stronger anti-psychotics... too much of everything not related to nature.
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Why don't you tell us how you *really* feel... hahaha.

What you say can be true of any densely-populated metropolitan area. The flourish, here, if you will, might be Hollywood and the ostentation displayed by the types that it may attract.

Either way, I feel like a fish out of water here and this is where I grew up (but in semi-rural suburban environs). Where I most definitely feel more at home are small towns where small talk can be easily made, and where folks wave back when a stranger (such as myself) waves hello.

Only wanted to add some perspective to the topic of Californians.
 
When the earth moves again and the cities go dark every night, the animals will rule. I spent several weeks on a "relief trip" in South Florida after hurricane Andrew. Beside it being completely dark all over, trash piles were 6 feet high in places within 4 weeks. If you were not armed you better be dug in before dark. Even the military which was everywhere stayed inside their perimeter until daylight. Fools don't recognize their foolishness until it's late in the game. Joe
 
Aragon said:
My huge question which is becoming more and more germane is "when does it become too much that people simply stop complying?"
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I hear constantly about people carrying around here even though permits aren't issued to regular folks. I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage is close to what it would be if we could get permits. I don't know what the penalty is if they get caught.
 
Quentin said:
I wish Idaho would pass a law that only 2A friendly Californians are allowed to move here! Right now it seems most who come here are of the gun grabbing variety. They are shocked at the way we live here so they want to impose their draconian mindset.
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Why would ANTI-gun Californians move to Idaho?!
 
pharmer said:
When the earth moves again and the cities go dark every night, the animals will rule. I spent several weeks on a "relief trip" in South Florida after hurricane Andrew. Beside it being completely dark all over, trash piles were 6 feet high in places within 4 weeks. If you were not armed you better be dug in before dark. Even the military which was everywhere stayed inside their perimeter until daylight. Fools don't recognize their foolishness until it's late in the game. Joe
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Yep, we are overdue for another big earthquake. But having been through several it's not like what happens after a hurricane... yes, you have to turn off the gas for a few days and also have no electricity for that period, and some people's homes completely collapse but that is a small number and you can mitigate against it by having a single-story frame house in a flat area, but anyway the Red Cross etc make shelters in school gyms etc for people who don't have friends or family they can move in with.

My best earthquake story is how after Northridge my kitchen counter was electrified. I put my hand on the counter and got a shock, then being stupid but at the same time a data junkie I started putting my hand down in various places to see if I could identify a pattern as to when I would get a shock and when not, no luck. DWP came out after two days and said they didn't know what was going on, to stay away from it and call an electrician. Blabla when the electrician came he found that inside the wall behind an outlet there were wires that for whatever reason did not have plastic caps, the earthquake had jiggled everything sufficiently that they were now touching each other... The counter was the 50's type formica with metal moldings around the edges and a metal border around the sink... one end of the counter abutted the refrigerator, which was metal, and in the sink the drains were metal... so when I put my hand down such that it was touching both the metal edge molding and the metal sink border, voilà, I closed the circuit. :what:
 
Given the state of bills to come, people are going to have to make a decision. Either resist and run the risk of being a felon in waiting or get on their knees and be a slave!

The choice is yours, my bet is that at least 99% of CA gun owners will get on their knees.
 
I feel for Californians, but can't help much. So far as ammunition is concerned drive over to Arizona, breath some free air, and buy all you want. ;)
 
50 Shooter said:
Given the state of bills to come, people are going to have to make a decision. Either resist and run the risk of being a felon in waiting or get on their knees and be a slave!

The choice is yours, my bet is that at least 99% of CA gun owners will get on their knees.
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There's also a choice to move. Which I am considering.
 
Warp said:
A half dozen pmags (AR 5.56 or GL9 17's) is my standard gun forum wager offer
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Those are worth less than a cup of coffee to me.

I'll up the ante and call it a $10 gift card to Starbucks.

(PS, It will be the gift card I got last Christmas... I don't like Starbucks. It tastes burnt to me.)
 
California is a lost cause
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It really is. My family lived there for decades and got out and I did in adulthood for a short while and also bailed. There isn't enough money in the world to go back. And it isn't just the insane gun laws, it is the culture, the crippling taxes, the pollution/overcrowding/high cost of living/crime/rampant drug abuse/crazy people/traffic in some places, the difficulty to do anything due to red tape, etc.

It's by far the most diverse state in the union. From big cities, to farming and ranching to the High Sierras, to desolate desert to snowy mountains to gorgeous beaches. Some seem to think that CA is one huge city -- they couldn't be more wrong.
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True. As I've traveled quite a bit in my younger years, I'd say parts of Northern California has some of the most breath-takingly beautiful country in the world. Sadly, that place is under the mind-meltingly insane laws passed in Sacramento.

LOL.... care to make a wager on that?
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I won't answer for Warp, and I don't think it will happen like that, but it wouldn't be completely unprecedented. There was a mandatory buy-back on SKS Sporter rifles back in the 90s.

The choice is yours, my bet is that at least 99% of CA gun owners will get on their knees.
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Probably. Though I'd also imagine more will finally have enough and leave.

Back to this most recent legislation it is another fine example of the futility of these gun laws. The existing Draconian laws didn't stop the wackjobs in San Bernardino and they won't stop the next nutter. And anyone who thinks the gangs are turning in their hardware is living in a fantasy world.
 
... I don't like Starbucks. It tastes burnt to me.
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That's because Starbucks (or "Charbucks") roasts the coffee too dark and what you're really tasting is the roast level and not the coffee.

However, it makes it easier for them because coffee changes all year long and maintaining the same flavor profile at a lower roast level is difficult. You have to constantly adjust the blend for the new beans you've purchased which involves a lot of test roasts and cupping the coffee. Along with a lot of expertise by the master roaster and you need a really good coffee tasting crew who can identify the changes that need to be made in the blend to achieve the desired flavor.

If you roast coffee really dark, no one notices changes in the beans and their flavor because the flavor of the coffee itself is being masked by the roast level. It tastes "burnt" because it is...on purpose.
 
This is my home, my established business that can't just be uprooted is here, my family is here. Yes my home has changed for the worst, it is not as easy as just move.
Obviously a lot of law abiding citizens will become outlaws if some of these rediculous bills pass.
 
Warp said:
IF California actually had a decent number of people who cared about their Rights and Liberties, and IF those people left, it would end up helping 'our' cause by reducing the number of votes CA carries in the House of Representatives and their delegate number for POTUS. But I don't believe CA has that many people who care enough about their Rights and Liberties to do anything about these laws, or leave. The current stat of CA pretty soundly supports that, eh?
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I think PLENTY of people in CA care about their rights/liberties. Guns are a political football however. Politicians corral and drive voters with wedge issues like gun control.
 
Swing said:
It really is. My family lived there for decades and got out and I did in adulthood for a short while and also bailed. There isn't enough money in the world to go back. And it isn't just the insane gun laws, it is the culture, the crippling taxes, the pollution/overcrowding/high cost of living/crime/rampant drug abuse/crazy people/traffic in some places, the difficulty to do anything due to red tape, etc.
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My earliest ancestors arrived in CA in 1769. The latest (other than by birth) in 1952. In both cases I'm deeply grateful for their sacrifices to get to the Golden State. It truly is God's Country.

You'll never understand that with your "...the pollution/overcrowding/high cost of living/crime/rampant drug abuse/crazy people/traffic..." comments. People like you seem to think this VAST state is all LA City and it's not. It shows that you really don't know CA.

Those of us with more deeper roots in CA realize that things go in cycles. We think in generations, not in mere "decades."

Swing said:
True. As I've traveled quite a bit in my younger years, I'd say parts of Northern California has some of the most breath-takingly beautiful country in the world. Sadly, that place is under the mind-meltingly insane laws passed in Sacramento.
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Most of CA has breathtaking beauty -- even those forlorn parts that abut NV and AZ.
 
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