Ruger LCP fell apart while shooting

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grampajack said:
As I mentioned in another thread today, I'm thinking of scrapping my LCP and getting something similar, probably a Sig. It won't cycle hollow points well, some not at all, and the newer ones since they dropped the price seem to be crap. I'm not sure if they're any better now than the Kel Tecs, and I wouldn't carry one of those if they paid me to.

I just bought a new one, because the price was good, and the magazine catch is messed up. The magazine won't latch unless you push backwards as you're pushing it in. It's something you have to make a conscious effort to do. The gen 1 LCPs were not like this at all. I called Ruger about it, and not only were they aware of the problem, but they claimed it was designed that way! I'm probably never going to buy a Ruger again. They've been on my black list in the past, and it looks like they're about to go back on it.
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Buddy of mine has the sig and loves it!

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grampajack said:
I'm not trying to start a thing, but that's exactly what people say about Kel Tec and Taurus, and it's absolutely true. They have the best CS in the industry because they've discovered it's more profitable to sell cheap guns and replace them on the rare occasion someone shoots it enough to break it or notice flaws.

The fact is that most people don't shoot their guns. They buy them, shoot them once, then put the gun into their night stand and never shoot it again. Most people with CCW permits don't even shoot that much, most of them once a year or less. It simply doesn't make good economical sense to build quality guns for that crowd, despite the fact that it's the right thing to do regardless. After all, we would be pretty screwed if that logic was carried over to other things we rarely use, such as fire extinguishers and smoke alarms.
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Taurus has the WORSE cs in the industry. I have had to use it a few times, and currently they wouldn't even tell me if they would ever give me back my pt145 after the recall. It's what it ended up making me sell it and buying the XD mod 2 which I'm so glad I did.

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Taurus treated me great when the extractor in my tcp broke. They sent me all the related parts free of charge when I suggested repairing it myself instead of sending the gun back.
 
The Gen 1 LCPs are pretty good as far as I can tell. WAY better than the P3ATs in every respect. The current LCPs still have a better finish, but in practical terms I would say they're now on the same level as the Kel Tecs, which is truly sad. I think the original price point was just fine for that sort of pistol, and I think they've done irreparable harm to their reputation by cheapening it up. It's just too sad.

It's not just Ruger, though. I think just about everyone across the board is doing it. The infamous MIM parts have snuck their way into almost every production gun on the market right now. Even Glock had a huge quality control issue with their late Gen 3 early Gen 4 in 9 and 40. Again, it's just too sad what's happening in the gun market right now. I think it's a lot like the cigar craze back in 90s. Everyone wants one, and the manufacturers are taking advantage of the increased demand to take the money and run.
 
Just finished a 3-gun .380 head-to-head today.

The LCP had no problems through test firing with 6 different loads & was the fastest of the three (Remington & Smith) in speed dumps with its shorter pre-cocked trigger.

I wouldn't kick it outa bed. :)
Denis
 
My KelTec P3AT is over 10 years old lot of rounds . Both ball and Corbon DPX or HP fired and hasn't fallen apart like this copy cat Ruger. . .

Want to spend more Buy a Colt Mustang or a Sig Copy I did read a report if you hold the Sig side ways with slide lock down . I will fall out also when shooting
 
If shooting sideways causes you to fall out, perhaps you should stop shooting sideways. :)
Denis
 
MICHAEL T said:
My KelTec P3AT is over 10 years old lot of rounds . Both ball and Corbon DPX or HP fired and hasn't fallen apart like this copy cat Ruger. . .

Want to spend more Buy a Colt Mustang or a Sig Copy I did read a report if you hold the Sig side ways with slide lock down . I will fall out also when shooting
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That's the main problem with Kel Tec is that they're capable of making functional firearms but their quality control sucks. For every success story, there are ten disasters. If you got a good one, that's great, but no one can deny that Kel Tec is a gamble.
 
I wonder how old that LCP is. They have changed the pins on the newer ones. The new pins have a groove machined in them that snaps into the retaining clip. The original pins were smooth. My LCP custom has the grooved pin.
 
DPris said:
Just finished a 3-gun .380 head-to-head today.

The LCP had no problems through test firing with 6 different loads & was the fastest of the three (Remington & Smith) in speed dumps with its shorter pre-cocked trigger.

I wouldn't kick it outa bed. :)
Denis
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Hey that's good to know man I really want to get one of these for my wife.

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grampajack said:
That's the main problem with Kel Tec is that they're capable of making functional firearms but their quality control sucks. For every success story, there are ten disasters. If you got a good one, that's great, but no one can deny that Kel Tec is a gamble.
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Sold off that p3at for the pf9 which I still have. I know Kel Tec gets a bad rap for reliability but they've been good to me so far.

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Dewey 68 said:
I wonder how old that LCP is. They have changed the pins on the newer ones. The new pins have a groove machined in them that snaps into the retaining clip. The original pins were smooth. My LCP custom has the grooved pin.
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The pin was definitely smooth, makes sense to add that recess for reliability. In one of my previous post I said that the round that they fired was from 2012 that comes with the gun so I'm thinking it's at 4 years old.

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I have a stainless LCP, had another (long story), and have not had any trouble of this sort. I do remember the takedown pin having a retention groove in it, so unless the spring breaks or you don't fully seat it, it shouldn't walk out. However, the design of the pin with regard to stripping and cleaning the gun doesn't fill me with confidence. I have no way of knowing how many times it would take, but having to pry the pin out with a metal tool, and only bearing against the plastic of the frame (no metal bushing or insert), seems likely to, at some point, enlarge or elongate the pin hole.
 
While that'd be a potential issue with extensive use & cleaning, few will ever fire an LCP that much.
Denis
 
railroader said:
There are also aftermarket tool-less take down pins. I have one in my LCP and so far it works great. You turn the pin 180 degrees and you can pull it out with your finger nails. No more prying the pin out.
https://www.tandemkross.com/Tool-less-Takedown-Pin-for-LCP_p_106.html
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That was the type of after-market pin I tried when my first LCP's pin first walked out under recoil.

After making sure the "tool-less" pin was installed and turned properly (to engage the wire), I discovered the after-market pin also turned under recoil and drifted out at my next range session. The second factory pin corrected the problem.

Perhaps the constant slamming of the barrel lug against the takedown pin during live-fire can cause the pin to rotate, and that's why the factory pin has the machined offset bevel located all the way around the pin.
 
DPris said:
While that'd be a potential issue with extensive use & cleaning, few will ever fire an LCP that much.
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They were probably counting on that, and in fact, as a backup gun (more properly, a "little gun to fight my way to the big gun"), I don't shoot it nearly as much as my main gun. That it is smooth and streamlined with no projections or sharp edges and corners is much more important to me.
 
It's just not built to be fired every weekend for 30 years.
Intended to be carried all the time & shot every once in a while, if that. :)
On that basis ,enlarging the frame's pinhole shouldn't be much of an issue.
Denis
 
The micro guns are not meant as range guns, a mag on occasion see that all is ok, then carry. Below 15-18 ounces should be a warning.
 
That's how I treat mine. Occasional use only at the range. It's fun like shooting full power 44Mags are fun! They get your attention quickly!:D

Seriously, I use it enough to get proficient with it, but I'd rather shoot other guns at the range which are really more fun and accurate.

So far have had no issues with the take down pin, and I have changed it to the Tandem Kross quick change one. No issues personally with either the stock or aftermarket. I just like the convenience of the quick change.

When it's hot and am using lighter clothing, the LCP is my go to pocket gun.

As an aside though, my favorite .380ACP is the Colt Government Model. Too bad they don't make it any more. (The Mustang just doesn't cut it for me).
 
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