Ohio: Bill to protect against accidentally carrying into no-gun zone

Good to hear. I never did like the way the law is currently worded.

Aren't those with State of Residents permits to carry already exempt from the Federal Gun Free School Zone restrictions?

Aren't those with State of Residents permits to carry already exempt from the Federal Gun Free School Zone restrictions?

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In Alabama we can carry concealed in a school zone with a permit as long as there is no "harmful" intent.

To amend sections 2917.11, 2923.12, 2923.121,
2923.122, 2923.123, and 2923.126 of the Revised
Code to provide that a concealed handgun
licensee who carries a handgun concealed on or
in property on which carrying a concealed
handgun is prohibited is subject to removal but
is not guilty of a violation of the prohibition
unless the licensee fails to leave the premises
upon request, that a licensee who fails to leave
upon request or returns with a firearm within
thirty days is guilty of disorderly conduct, and
that a private property owner who chooses to
prohibit firearms on the property is not immune
from liability if a related injury occurs.

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Ohio is an open carry State, didn't read anything in this Bill that affects the current open carry laws, only Concealed carry.

If this is the case, then the Federal Gun Free School Zone law is not an issue as Ohio Residents with an Ohio CC permit are already exempt.

Ohio is an open carry State, didn't read anything in this Bill that affects the current open carry laws, only Concealed carry.

If this is the case, then the Federal Gun Free School Zone law is not an issue as Ohio Residents with an Ohio CC permit are already exempt.

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Yes, this is true in all 50 states. With a resident CC permit, you are exempt from the GFSZ law.

This Ohio bill seems like a step in the right direction.

To amend sections 2917.11, 2923.12, 2923.121,
2923.122, 2923.123, and 2923.126 of the Revised
Code to provide that a concealed handgun
licensee who carries a handgun concealed on or
in property on which carrying a concealed
handgun is prohibited is subject to removal but
is not guilty of a violation of the prohibition
unless the licensee fails to leave the premises
upon request, that a licensee who fails to leave
upon request or returns with a firearm within
thirty days is guilty of disorderly conduct, and
that a private property owner who chooses to
prohibit firearms on the property is not immune
from liability if a related injury occurs.

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There's another twist. I believe Wisconsin has a similar provision.

If you have a license, then you are exempt from the Federal Gun Free School Zones act when you are carrying on K-12 school property.

It's good to see that some politician in Ohio has the right idea to help gun owners.

Not something I support. I've already contacted my rep and voiced my opinion. If you cannot "remember" you're carrying a gun, perhaps you shouldn't be.

coyotehitman " If you cannot "remember" you're carrying a gun, perhaps you shouldn't be. "

OP Post #1 "... protect those who accidentally carry into a place where guns are not allowed. If the carrier leaves after being told that guns are prohibited, they won't face any penalties. If they don't leave then they can get arrested."

It is not so much about forgetting you're carrying a gun.

It is more about finding yourself in a place whose owner has opted to run a gun free zone and you did not know. I have seen complaints that some places actually have their "No [legal] Guns Allowed" signs posted where you can't see them on entry. You can enter legally carrying for self-defense, as many may be most property owners allow, but not be aware that the property owner has opted to be a gun free zone owner, and find yourself accidentally being in violation of the law.

Why would you want someone with a license to get in trouble over a 'gun free zone'?

Sometimes pro gun people can be their worst enemies when there are ideas to lighten restrictions on people.

coyotehitman said:

Not something I support. I've already contacted my rep and voiced my opinion. If you cannot "remember" you're carrying a gun, perhaps you shouldn't be.

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It's one thing to forget you have a gun, it's another thing to forget to check for a sign every time you enter a building. I support the law.

coyotehitman said:

Not something I support. I've already contacted my rep and voiced my opinion. If you cannot "remember" you're carrying a gun, perhaps you shouldn't be.

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Sounds pompous to me.

razorback2003 said:

Why would you want someone with a license to get in trouble over a 'gun free zone'?

Sometimes pro gun people can be their worst enemies when there are ideas to lighten restrictions on people.

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True.

The Ohio ccw waves the 1000' rule and you can have a gun in your vehicle if you're dropping and or picking up a student at school as long as you don't leave the vehicle but you still can't carry on school property or at a school event off property.

If you are licensed to carry a concealed handgun, you may carry a handgun into a school safety zone only if you do not enter a school building, school premises, or school activity. You also must not be in one of the places listed in ORC 2923.126(B). You may be in a motor vehicle and immediately in the process of picking up or dropping off a child. You also must comply with all other laws governing the transportation of firearms in a motor vehicle.

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http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Law-Enforcement/Concealed-Carry

. There's another twist. I believe Wisconsin has a similar provision.

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The WI provision is different.

It states that a business that "Pemitts" firearms is immune. Not one that prohibits is not.

Since this Fall is a campaign season, almost nothing will be done legislatively until after the elections. Then there will be a few sessions in late November and early December which is not enough time for this bill to make it through both the House and the Senate.

Then the Ohio General Assembly will break for the holidays and the legislative session will end on December 31st. All bills not passed by both the House and the Senate at the end of the session are dead. So basically, this bill is going nowhere.

So basically, this bill is going nowhere.

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Depends entirely on how much support there is for it. The Pot bill made it through way faster than the 4 months or so that are remaining this year.

Jeff H said:

Depends entirely on how much support there is for it. The Pot bill made it through way faster than the 4 months or so that are remaining this year.

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That was to head off the pot referendum in November. The last thing the Republicans wanted was a bunch of pro-maryjane voters coming to the polls in a presidential election year.

The gun rights movement in Ohio has almost no clout which I attribute to the fact that it is fragmented into five different organizations, with almost no cooperation among them.

We have
Ohio Rifle and Pistol Association ( http://www.orpa.net/ )
Ohioans for Concealed Carry ( http://www.ohioccw.org/ )
Buckeye Firearms Association ( http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/index.php )
Oho Carry ( http://www.ohiocarry.org/ )
Ohio Gun Owners ( http://www.ohiogunowners.org/ )

It appears to me that this bill just removes the Force of Law attached to No-Guns signs.

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I would assume that this only covers State Laws. I can't imagine that this would have any teeth to preempt Federal laws like the School Gun Free Zones and Airports.

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Nullification is a no-go but anti-commandeering provisions (with respect to immigration, drugs, and guns) usually hold up in federal court. Are there any anti-commandeering provisions in the bill?

Mike

It is more about finding yourself in a place whose owner has opted to run a gun free zone and you did not know. I have seen complaints that some places actually have their "No [legal] Guns Allowed" signs posted where you can't see them on entry. You can enter legally carrying for self-defense, as many may be most property owners allow, but not be aware that the property owner has opted to be a gun free zone owner, and find yourself accidentally being in violation of the law.

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Ohio has stipulations on posting signage. If there is a violation by a gun toter, it is a result of negligence.

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Originally Posted by coyotehitman

Not something I support. I've already contacted my rep and voiced my opinion. If you cannot "remember" you're carrying a gun, perhaps you shouldn't be.

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Sounds pompous to me

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I don't recall asking what it sounds like to you.

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Ohio has stipulations on posting signage. If there is a violation by a gun toter, it is a result of negligence.

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Some businesses do not post their signs in a conspicuous manner as required by law. United Dairy Farmers used to have an extremely small, word-only (no picture) sticker among twenty other stickers and posters on their windows. A person carrying is supposed to stand outside the store for five minutes reading all that to make sure they are legal?

Half Price Books used to have a clear see through sticker with white lettering that was about knee high on the door.

Some malls have no signs on their entrances but forbid weapons in their rules of conduct. Is a gun carrier being "negligent" if they don't immediately go to the food court and read all the rules of conduct upon entering the mall?

Not something I support. I've already contacted my rep and voiced my opinion. If you cannot "remember" you're carrying a gun, perhaps you shouldn't be.

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I support this so it is not needed to leave a weapon in the car while I run in and pick up a bite to eat, although I have to admit I tend to not give money to anti types of establishments.

I have a problem with leaving an unattended weapon in a car, seems.......irresponsible.

I find it interesting that someone that carries would be against a law that cleans up some the bureaucratic confusions and gotchas that permeate many laws on the books in States regarding guns. Ohio certainly had a few of those that were cleaned up in the recent past, for the best. I find any opposition to expansion of gun rights even more interesting. We rail against any assault on our rights, should we be not be supporting anything that pushes the needle in the other direction?