Looking to develop a non toxic gun oil.

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grampajack said:
Synthetics on the other hand, by their very nature, are going to cause hormone disruption, and may even be carcinogenic, depending on who you listen to.
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I'm afraid I have nothing to contribute to this discussion given your axioms.

Mike
 
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Synthetics on the other hand, by their very nature, are going to cause hormone disruption, and may even be carcinogenic, depending on who you listen to.
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I've cleaned guns since the age of 8 IIRC, I spent part of my life repairing lawnmowers, chainsaws, and other small engines, I cleaned the engine parts in gas,I have repaired my own autos and changed my own oil since the age of 15, still do BTW. None of my fingers have fallen off or had any other problems, I'm now 73. I do have health problems non related tho.
 
grampajack said:
..............If you'll read my posts, I go through a lot of gun oil/solvent. I'm currently using mil comm lube and cleaner on all my guns, and it's just way too expensive.

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Are you professionally employed in cleaning/lubricating firearms?

Seriously how much time a day do you spend in close contact with lubricants cleaning your guns?

I got a pretty good collection and keep them clean and well protected with proper firearm focused products. Cleaning and lubrication products are not something I have to buy a lot of, the recommended amounts that I use on my guns tend to make the supply last a long time.

You may be over cleaning and over lubricating your firearms. They are not like your teeth, they don't need to be brushed and cleaned twice a day. Properly cleaned, lubricated and stored they can go years without needing any maintenance. My carry guns get bi-weekly attention, but that does not take bottles and bottles of CLP every year.



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Acera said:
Are you professionally employed in cleaning/lubricating firearms?

Seriously how much time a day do you spend in close contact with lubricants cleaning your guns?

I got a pretty good collection and keep them clean and well protected with proper firearm focused products. Cleaning and lubrication products are not something I have to buy a lot of, the recommended amounts that I use on my guns tend to make the supply last a long time.

You may be over cleaning and over lubricating your firearms. They are not like your teeth, they don't need to be brushed and cleaned twice a day. Properly cleaned, lubricated and stored they can go years without needing any maintenance. My carry guns get bi-weekly attention, but that does not take bottles and bottles of CLP every year.
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Agreed.

I have a couple of cans of spray Rem-Oil and it took me 4 years to go through one can. I have approx 1/2 qt of synthetic 5W-30 as well. That with the Rem-Oil cans I have should last me for the rest of my life.
 
Do most of you guys/guys wear plastic gloves while cleaning with CLP, Hilco Lube etc?

Small components of the AR's bolt were dripping last night until wiped partly dry with clean patches.
 
Cancer rates are definitely climbing. I don't know why people are cavalier about the dangers of chemicals.
 
Still say I will stick with breakthrough. It now has a mil std and their grease is used on the minigun

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I'm not trying to be rude, but I feel like I'm having to repeat myself too much. Please read the thread before responding.

I know frog lube exists, and I know it's made out of coconut oil. It's also damnably expensive, as I've said over and over again. They've also done nothing to lower the melting point. Again, I'm 100% confident that I can come up with something better for a lot less.

As far as the health concerns, that's just something you have to decide for yourself. All I can say is I'm committed to keeping my toxic load as low as possible. I'm not going to live in a bubble, but I'm not going to expose myself to more chemicals than necessary. I have a 2500 dollar filtration/ionization system that produces bottled quality water that tastes great with no BPA, or any other petrochemicals for that matter. I use steel water bottles instead of plastic ones. I use natural toiletries, from soap to toothpaste. I use natural cleaning products that are ethanol based. I don't use fragrances or air fresheners, and I use glycerine based soaps and detergents. I buy used cars that have already off gassed, both for financial expediency and the fact that I hate new car smell. I eat as much organic/grass fed/non GMO/free range as possible, though that doesn't stop me from enjoying restaurant meals whenever I feel like it. YMMV.
 
Now that that's out of the way...

I've got a mixture right now that will go down to 0* F, and I predict the smoke point should be 400-450* F. If I reduce the amount of coconut oil, then those numbers will get better, but I have to keep a certain amount of coconut oil to prevent gumming and spoilage.

I've tested a few mixtures on a Bersa .380, and this stuff is pretty amazing. It has an extreme resistance to solvents. I can't hardly clean it off with brake cleaner. It also eats carbon like you wouldn't believe.

As far as lubricating, I'd say it does about as good a job as anything else I've ever used. I'm sure it's not as good as TW25 in that department, but with many guns this isn't even really a concern. Take an AR for example, the bolt will break long before wear ever becomes an issue. Maybe I can find someone with a timken who will test it for me?
 
grampajack said:
If you're talking about Mobil 1, it is one of the worst performing oils I've seen tested. I would venture to guess that pretty much any vegetable oil is going to offer as good or better wear protection.
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Pardon? Have a citation/link for that?
 
Warp said:
Pardon? Have a citation/link for that?
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Mobil 1 fails the timken test miserably compared to commercial gun oils, at least in the ones I've seen. Maybe it was shameless marketing, I don't know. It's not really the point of this thread though. There are other reasons why Mobil 1 isn't a consideration for me.
 
If your blend lubricates your Bersa, try it on another gun. Save the Timken test for when you go commercial.

Are you going to publish the formulation for your buddies here on THR or are you keeping it proprietary with a view towards commercialization?
 
Mobil 1 fails the timken test miserably compared to commercial gun oils, at least in the ones I've seen. Maybe it was shameless marketing, I don't know. It's not really the point of this thread though. There are other reasons why Mobil 1 isn't a consideration for me.
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Guns nor auto engines do not run on timken bearings to my knowledge.Not a really good answer. Sorta like beating round the bush.
 
And it's not just the increased nutritional value, it's the lack of pesticides.
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The only pesticides prohibited by USDA organic standards are synthetic pesticides. (see https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Allowed-Prohibited Substances.pdf). All natural pesticides may be used with the exception of strychnine (see 7 CFR 205.604). So long as its not synthetic or strychnine, an organic product can literally be swimming in pesticide and still be legally labeled as organic.

Further, the USDA standards provide that if organic ingredients are not available in the proper form, quantity or quality, non-organic ingredients may be used without endangering the Organic certification.
 
grampajack said:
Now that that's out of the way...

I've got a mixture right now that will go down to 0* F, and I predict the smoke point should be 400-450* F. If I reduce the amount of coconut oil, then those numbers will get better, but I have to keep a certain amount of coconut oil to prevent gumming and spoilage.

I've tested a few mixtures on a Bersa .380, and this stuff is pretty amazing. It has an extreme resistance to solvents. I can't hardly clean it off with brake cleaner. It also eats carbon like you wouldn't believe.

As far as lubricating, I'd say it does about as good a job as anything else I've ever used. I'm sure it's not as good as TW25 in that department, but with many guns this isn't even really a concern. Take an AR for example, the bolt will break long before wear ever becomes an issue. Maybe I can find someone with a timken who will test it for me?
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I think this guy is on to something. Don't let others discourage you. I would be happy to be a test subject =)
 
grampajack said:
I've not heard of any that come from plankton. Do you think they would be more effective than jojoba oil?
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The carbon chains in the plankton-derived wax esters are shorter than the ones in Jojoba so I would expect them to be less waxy and - for want of a better term - fluid, than Jojoba and so would address the performance at cooler temperatures.
 
jdchen0407 said:
I think this guy is on to something. Don't let others discourage you. I would be happy to be a test subject =)
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I agree.

While I'm perfectly happy with the petroleum-based oils that I use, what grampajack is doing is innovation and should be encouraged, not scorned.
 
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