What kind of handgun do you think would sell well?

Ouch, that hurt my eyes,,,

Ouch, that hurt my eyes,,,
I've fired one of the Comanche pistols,,,
They are even less fun than that Rossi I mentioned.

I'm thinking of a pair of pistols with a bit of elegance to them,,,
Something a father and son could spend some quality range time with.

A boxed set the father can hand down to his son,,,
So the process could be repeated with his grandchildren.



Honestly, I think North American Arms has the basic design already,,,
They had the break-open they designed a few years ago,,,
Just make a 6" single-shot version from that design.

Maybe I'm just a romantic,,,
But I would easily pay $400.00 for a pair.

Aarond

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An affordable 32 magnum semiauto pistol. Now, before you say they don't exist, take a look at the Simmerling LM5. It's a 4 round semiauto, but costs $3800.

I wonder if Colt ever considered having a Japanese manufactur produce the Python like Browning has done. The end product might be reasonable enough that the gun buying public would buy them.

Those pistols do not exist. The break open never got imported. The long barrel COP shown is an Airsoft. A double stack Luger does not exist.

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And for good reason.

A break-top in .357 requires quite a bit more steel than a weaker caliber. Can it be done? Sure...anything can be done. Is the end result viable in a competitive market? Asked and answered.

The COPs have four barrels...make the gun heavy and unwieldy, in addition to its low capacity. The worst of all possible worlds. So, lets make those barrels longer and heavier....great. Oh, and they have terrible triggers to boot.

Luger design is somewhat complex, and expensive to manufacture. If you think HK P7 owners are somewhat eccentric, think x10 for Luger people. So, how many of them are going to pay a high admission price for something that is not a "real" Luger? Hint: H-D tried that with the V-Rod. And outside of a few high priced STI race guns, how many double-stack 1911s is anyone selling?

As the man said...if there was a market, someone would be filing it.

orionengnr said:

And for good reason.

A break-top in .357 requires quite a bit more steel than a weaker caliber. Can it be done? Sure...anything can be done. Is the end result viable in a competitive market? Asked and answered.

The COPs have four barrels...make the gun heavy and unwieldy, in addition to its low capacity. The worst of all possible worlds. So, lets make those barrels longer and heavier....great. Oh, and they have terrible triggers to boot.

Luger design is somewhat complex, and expensive to manufacture. If you think HK P7 owners are somewhat eccentric, think x10 for Luger people. So, how many of them are going to pay a high admission price for something that is not a "real" Luger? Hint: H-D tried that with the V-Rod. And outside of a few high priced STI race guns, how many double-stack 1911s is anyone selling?

As the man said...if there was a market, someone would be filing it.

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You just described the things I want...almost to perfection. The night rod (candy maroon and black for sure) IS my next motorcycle. No question. I have drawn up a design for a simple toggle lock pistol that I will build as soon as I replace my mill, and my biggest lust in the semiauto world is a double stack 10mm 2011 pattern pistol.

What next...you don't like 32 revolvers, Boxer pups, beagles, or aquariums? I know, different strokes for different folks, and your not far off base. Those Harley's kinda flopped for no reason aside from the fact that they aren't traditional. They did drive the hydroforming technology forward and that technology has jumped into 4 wheeled vehicles. The 2011 platform should be taking off and I think it would if the magazines were both better and cheaper.

LCP-sized pistol in 5.7X28.

13 ounce, 600 nitro, 30 round pocket gun. Manageable recoil, low noise, extremely accurate...........

I've never found anything close, so I compromised and bought a Glock G26.

flechette said:

Let's think like a firearm manufacturing company: What type of handgun would sell well?

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I would guess something that's lightweight, high capacity, and low cost (cheap to produce).

Probably real similar to a Glock, M&P, P320, etc.

Do you think one of the big gun companies would hire me as a marketing consultant?

rondog said:

I like the idea of a full-size, hi-cap .32 auto. I'd buy that.

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CZ would just have to revive the CZ83 in .32 (7.65). It was a "Compact" but held 15 rounds and had a full-sized grip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Awk32wu_rA

Reminds me of . . . 1992?

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I'm a poor divorced dad of two- a man can dream! Did I mention that while I go into the shop to buy this sub $300 revolver, an in her prime Claudia Cardinale is with me?

aarondhgraham said:

I'm thinking of a pair of pistols with a bit of elegance to them,,,
Something a father and son could spend some quality range time with.

A boxed set the father can hand down to his son,,,
So the process could be repeated with his grandchildren.

Honestly, I think North American Arms has the basic design already,,,
They had the break-open they designed a few years ago,,,
Just make a 6" single-shot version from that design.

Maybe I'm just a romantic,,,
But I would easily pay $400.00 for a pair.

Aarond

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Those are pretty guns. I've been interested in something like that off and on for a while. I've never been a fan of that type of trigger, though. Maybe with a trigger more like a Colt SAA? That might increase the size a bit, but it might make it more shootable? I really don't know as I've never even held a gun like that.

Single stack striker fired pistols

Flechette said:

If that is how the market operates then we would never have any new gun designs...ever.

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Not a true statement. Orionengnr is correct - if there was a market for it, there would be a product.

The jobs of product developers and market analysts are to study market appetites and determine appropriate products to fill those appetites. Our job is NOT make up dumb product ideas and see if anyone wants to buy them. There are really two ways new products come to light - an innovative idea creates a new market, or a market demand drives product innovation. In both cases, developers and marketers have to determine a marketability factor against the design, development (including production line development) and production costs of the products. If the payback is insufficient, either the DD&P costs are too high (and resulting product cost), or the market appetite is too low.

All of the designs you've referenced are over a hundred years old. They're NOT new innovations which could drive new market interest. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, there's just not enough market interest to support any of these products, and for a great number of them, the DD&P costs are incredibly high. These poor designs were outshined by better designs long ago, hence they're no longer competitive. I'm sure lots of guys would love to have them, but not enough to sustain a production line development, and those guys most likely wouldn't want them at the price it would cost to buy them if the price did sustain the production. For example, producing a Luger today most likely would result in a $2,500 price tag, and the end product wouldn't do anything a dozen other products already do, for $400-600 except cost more and not sell as fast.

Don't have to like it, but them's the breaks.

What kind of handgun do you think would sell well?

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One Megawatt laser pistol. Bet it would sell REAL well.

Deaf

I thought a compact .380 revolver would sell well - using a shortened cylinder that fits the .380 ACP, as well as a frame that fits the cylinder. The Taurus 380 revolver has a horrible trigger on it, so I don't think that's necessarily a good example.

I think a small-frame, reliable pocket .22lr semi-auto would sell well for self-defense and back-up, but It would have to have decent and functional sights. If someone could design a reliable double-stack .22lr magazine and incorporate that into a compact semi, again with functional sights, I think it would sell.

I know the consensus is that 22s ought not be carried for self-defense, but many do, including me on occasion, and many more would in the future were these guns available.

BOARHUNTER

I, too, would like to see S&W re-introduce the 3013 and the CS9.

C0untZer0 said:

I thought a compact .380 revolver would sell well - using a shortened cylinder that fits the .380 ACP, as well as a frame that fits the cylinder. The Taurus 380 revolver has a horrible trigger on it, so I don't think that's necessarily a good example.

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I think those shorter revolvers were a great idea before all the pocket .380 pistols came out with greater capacity. Now, I hardly carry my .38 snubby anymore, pretty much for the same reason.

Boarhunter said:

I think a small-frame, reliable pocket .22lr semi-auto would sell well for self-defense and back-up, but It would have to have decent and functional sights. If someone could design a reliable double-stack .22lr magazine and incorporate that into a compact semi, again with functional sights, I think it would sell.

I know the consensus is that 22s ought not be carried for self-defense, but many do, including me on occasion, and many more would in the future were these guns available.

BOARHUNTER

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The only double stack .22 rimfire magazine equipped pistol I can think of is the KelTec PMR30 in .22 WMR.

It would be interesting to see if the shorter .22 LR could even feed well out of a double stack pistol magazine greater than 10 rounds worth.

I say 10 rounds because I believe the Remington 597 rifle has a double stack center feed magazine, but the high capacity 597 magazines are all single stack?

If that is how the market operates then we would never have any new gun designs...ever.

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Nope. The world is full of people who want into the market. As a result there are tens of thousands of new businesses started every week -- every now and then, one of them is a firearms manufacturer who offers something new. If it catches on, he prospers. If it doesn't, he goes broke.

There will always be new designs coming out, but many of them will be flops.

I'll play.

A full-up electronic pistol. Electrically operated trigger (meaning crisp), integral mini-red dot sights, integral light. Long battery life...possibly rechargeable.

A basic single action semi-auto in 9x19mm. Single column magazine. Decent sights. RIA quality and finish. Rock Island price. Around Commander size or slightly smaller.

An affordable self-defense gun.

Deanimator said:

A basic single action semi-auto in 9x19mm. Single column magazine. Decent sights. RIA quality and finish. Rock Island price. Around Commander size or slightly smaller.

An affordable self-defense gun.

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That sounds like the Bersa BP9CC, except the single action part. But still nice triggers on those guns.

Deanimator said:

A basic single action semi-auto in 9x19mm. Single column magazine. Decent sights. RIA quality and finish. Rock Island price. Around Commander size or slightly smaller.

An affordable self-defense gun.

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Like this?

http://armscor.com/firearms/tac-series/tac-ultra-cs-9mm/