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Yes, Trump has promised to support RKBA and he will appoint originalists to the Supreme Court, but THREE STATES VOTED FOR MORE GUN CONTROL YESTERDAY and Maine only barely defeated it.

California voted (62%!!!) to require background checks to buy ammo.

Nevada voted (although just barely) to require background checks for private transfers. Steve Wynn was on Fox prior to the election trying to make up for having donated $50K without reading the fine print, pointed out that this covers not only sales, but any "transfer" at all, giving an example of a serviceman leaving his personal firearm with his fiancée when going on overseas duty, if they didn't visit an FFL first he's now a criminal.

Washington state passed an initiative allowing families of people in crisis to ask a judge to issue an extreme-risk protection orders that would temporarily prevent their loved ones from having access to firearms.The "extreme-risk protection orders," modeled after domestic violence restraining orders, would require a court hearing and due process protections to remove guns from a person in crisis.
 
Sorry, but I'm giddy at the moment and intend to stay here in bliss for awhile. A Trump presidency will ultimately be a large plus for gun rights. Clinton in the WH would have been a nervous strain everyday, wondering what this gun hating criminal would do next.

I intend to stay buoyant as long as I can.
 
Remain giddy if you wish, but Old Lady ain't wrong. While we were so distracted for 2 years by The Great Nightmare, the antis were working hard to push as much through as possible, and they will not stop with these few. In fact, these victories will only embolden and encourage them.
Remember, the majority the Republicans will enjoy beginning in January is only temporary, and the pendulum will swing back the other way sooner or later.
Now is the time to strengthen our resolve and reinforce our postition, not rest on our laurels.
 
Red Wind said:
Sorry, but I'm giddy at the moment and intend to stay here in bliss for awhile. A Trump presidency will ultimately be a large plus for gun rights. Clinton in the WH would have been a nervous strain everyday, wondering what this gun hating criminal would do next.

I intend to stay buoyant as long as I can.
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Oh, I'm also a different person since yesterday, for the first time in many months I no longer feel anxious about the future existence of our country, the first country ever founded on the idea that we humans get our rights from our CREATOR, not from some flesh-and-blood king, a country where government exists to serve the people, not the other way around. I'm just saying that WRT gun rights we must remain vigilant.
 
splattergun said:
Remain giddy if you wish, but Old Lady ain't wrong. While we were so distracted for 2 years by The Great Nightmare, the antis were working hard to push as much through as possible, and they will not stop with these few. In fact, these victories will only embolden and encourage them.
Remember, the majority the Republicans will enjoy beginning in January is only temporary, and the pendulum will swing back the other way sooner or later.
Now is the time to strengthen our resolve and reinforce our postition, not rest on our laurels.
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Yes, Sir. I will rest on my laurels today, with or without your consent. Folks like you can't stop and smell the flowers for even a single instant. Carry on your never ending hopeless quest for perfection.

I feel sadness and sorrow for you.
 
Better pay attention to the state changes. There was little chance of federal restrictions as long as the House stayed pro 2A, but the states are being chipped away at and YOUR rights are being picked away one state at a time.
 
Careful on the giddiness! Trump hasn't been a former Democrat for that many years, and is a big-city feller (NYC, to be precise). He will certainly be to the right of Bloomberg, to the left of most of us, and rather unpredictable. A LOT remains to be seen.
 
I am excited because we don't have a politician in the White House. That was the most appealing part, to me, of Trump running for president. Our political process has become so filled with favors and paybacks to the donors that the well being of the people was perverted by the wishes of the donors. Imagine the debt that HC would have owed to Bloomers and Soros for all of the money they "donated" to her election. HC must have spent 20x what Trump did on her ads from what I saw in NC. Those ads were paid for by future favors to the "donors". We would have been in a cesspool if HC won due to the debts she would have owed to her cronies. They are as bad, if not worse, than the mafia.

Trump didn't mortgage the future with promises to donors. I hope he cleans out the buddy system of present politicians, Ds and Rs both, and allows the people who actually want to work for the people, not for the fat cats who own them. Our political system has become so full of debt and favors to a few big pockets who ran the country from their penthouses without the publicity. I hope Bloomers has nightmares about his future, out of the White House, and he can go back to being king of his kingdom instead of the common people. Cut the cancer out of DC and give it back to the people. Trump has become successful by putting the best people in place to get a specific job done. He oversees them but they are the ones who know how to get the results needed.

If Trump is anything like the man who built his empire, he will sweep out the trash in DC and allow the people who are capable of getting the job done to take their place. They will build America to Trump's vision. I just pray that his vision is the vision our country needs to be great again and not some kind of sick and perverted dream of power.
 
Hard to be giddy when the only gun policy on the table right now is;
-Enhanced NICS reporting of mental health data (at least it's not generally harmful, but still the wrong direction if we agree BGC's are pointless)
-The ability for the president, by himself, to issue an edict that makes any citizen a Prohibited Person (by putting them on the Suspected Terrorist Watch List) --but that's okay because you might be able to appeal it after the fact with 3 days' preparation in a court across the country ;)

And, of course, when the candidate we so wish to be pro-gun has only the most base understanding of the issues & moving parts of the problem (if that). But at least his kid and maybe another advisor or two might have a slightly better clue (though it's telling that his 'gun panel' is mostly congressmen and industry folks, rather than legal minds like Gura, and is so large a body that it won't ever come to any real policy conclusions)

Don't get me wrong, we're in a heck of a lot better place than I thought we'd be, and I love the fact that gun owners are finally getting into an offensive mindset as far as gun policy (taking back turf & repealing restrictions vs. defending against new ones), but the Trump Train is not going to steer itself in the direction we want, and it will pass us by quickly if we don't act to throw the switch ourselves. This is basically what happend with George W Bush when he had all three branches of government on his side; he himself wasn't particularly pro-gun (rather the opposite to a limited degree, which is honestly not entirely unlike Trump) and spent his/our political capital on other policy areas since we were content with just the AWB expiration.

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California is on its own trajectory further into lala-land. It's on that path regardless of national elections. Though, a Hillary victory might have sped up that strange journey. Would be nice if SCOTUS forced the usual suspect errant states, dragged and screaming back into the United States. Seems like the only way to break up the collusion of all three state government branches to void the Second Amendment within their boundaries.

I have my company incorporated in Nevada. Recently their annual fees jumped nearly 40% and that state voted for Hillary.

Today, I started investigating switching from Nevada incorporation. Turns out, money will be saved and will go to a better cause. Las Vegas is dragging the state down.
 
"Would be nice if SCOTUS forced the usual suspect errant states, dragged and screaming back into the United States."

Maybe when all is said & done, we'll see Trump send in the National Guard to oversee the uninterrupted sale of OEM Colt 6920's in San Francisco despite the governor's protests (I'm alluding to the Little Rock Nine aftermath of Brown v Board of Education, here; Kamala Harris is every bit of an Orval Faubus)

"Las Vegas is dragging the state down."
There was a time it wasn't? (wakka wakka)
 
harrygunner said:
California is on its own trajectory further into lala-land. It's on that path regardless of national elections. Though, a Hillary victory might have sped up that strange journey. Would be nice if SCOTUS forced the usual suspect errant states, dragged and screaming back into the United States. Seems like the only way to break up the collusion of all three state government branches to void the Second Amendment within their boundaries.

I have my company incorporated in Nevada. Recently their annual fees jumped nearly 40% and that state voted for Hillary.

Today, I started investigating switching from Nevada incorporation. Turns out, money will be saved and will go to a better cause. Las Vegas is dragging the state down.
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Believe it or not, some lefties now started a movement for California to secede from the US because US policies don't match California feelings. I can't remember any details but I promise you I'm not making this up.
 
Although I feel good today about the outcome of the election, I believe that the results will increase anti's efforts on the state and local level. Also, the MSM will be completely negative on Trump's presidency. Their goal will be to regain dem control of both the House and Senate in 2018. Nevertheless, I feel better about the potential change of direction for the country and the Supreme Court than I did on Monday.
 
old lady new shooter said:
Believe it or not, some lefties now started a movement for California to secede from the US because US policies don't match California feelings. I can't remember any details but I promise you I'm not making this up.
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I know that you are not. I saw it on Fox News today. If successful, California would have one of top ten economies in the world. Can this proposal get any traction in the Golden State? :D
 
Koolmoose said:
Although I feel good today about the outcome of the election, I believe that the results will increase anti's efforts on the state and local level. Also, the MSM will be completely negative on Trump's presidency. Their goal will be to regain dem control of both the House and Senate in 2018. Nevertheless, I feel better about the potential change of direction for the country and the Supreme Court than I did on Monday.
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Reading the MSM reports of Trump's victory is surreal, they continue to spout the same lies about him being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
 
Red Wind said:
I know that you are not. I saw it on Fox News today. If successful, California would have one of top ten economies in the world. Can this proposal get any traction in the Golden State? :D
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If 62% just voted in favor of background checks for ammo purchases, and we have all these "sanctuary cities", and just petitioned the feds to extend Obamacare to illegal aliens here?

However, apparently secession is illegal.

That economy owes a lot to three industries:
agriculture
entertainment
tech
and used to be aerospace defense, not sure how much of that we still have.

Entertainment and tech are pretty lefty, but agriculture is getting killed by all the stupid environmental regulations.
 
old lady new shooter you are misinformed like many of the voters in WA who did not read the whole text of the initiative.
This is only part of I-1491
"Washington state passed an initiative allowing families of people in crisis to ask a judge to issue an extreme-risk protection orders that would temporarily prevent their loved ones from having access to firearms.The "extreme-risk protection orders," modeled after domestic violence restraining orders, would require a court hearing and due process protections to remove guns from a person in crisis."

In the link below is the full text. You will see you are only stating what was the narrative the supporters want people to think of as the initiative. Most voters in WA were and are to lazy to read and understand the whole text, which is why it passed.

https://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_1016.pdf
 
kitsapshooter said:
old lady new shooter you are misinformed like many of the voters in WA who did not read the whole text of the initiative.
This is only part of I-1491
"Washington state passed an initiative allowing families of people in crisis to ask a judge to issue an extreme-risk protection orders that would temporarily prevent their loved ones from having access to firearms.The "extreme-risk protection orders," modeled after domestic violence restraining orders, would require a court hearing and due process protections to remove guns from a person in crisis."

In the link below is the full text. You will see you are only stating what was the narrative the supporters want people to think of as the initiative. Most voters in WA were and are to lazy to read and understand the whole text, which is why it passed.

https://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_1016.pdf
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I just copied and pasted from a news article. It's still stricter gun law than before. I'm sure folks here would appreciate your posting the full law for us, that should not pose any copyright issue.
 
Sounds like a great plan to me. Let Kali leave the union or better idea give it back to Mexico. They can be the new as JFK used to say "cuber". No fed road or wellfare money their huge state GNP will be what it is now...third world.
 
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