Korean CMP garands

I'm on the CMP mailing list and haven't heard anything. I just looked at their web site and the latest SPECULATION was Phillipian Grands coming back.
If there is no announcement from the CMP it's speculation. When the batch of IH Garands and carbines came it there was advance announcements with specific ordering instructions.
But my Ex's brother in laws mother knew a women who had an uncle that had an in with a guy who unloaded trucks at the South Store ...

1st CMP does not import surplus military rifles. They get what the DoD gives them.

2nd, from day one the CMP has said that they will not get these rifles for a multitude of reasons.

Do a search, this Korean M1 Garand urban legend has been going on for years.......................



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Acera said:

1st CMP does not import surplus military rifles. They get what the DoD gives them.

2nd, from day one the CMP has said that they will not get these rifles for a multitude of reasons.

Do a search, this Korean M1 Garand urban legend has been going on for years.......................



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No, I think it's true this time.

let's hope it is, but what kind of shape would they be in?

Korean Garands? Never.
Filipino Garands? 86,000.

tark said:

let's hope it is, but what kind of shape would they be in?

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Rough.

Well we just don't know their condition. But it sure would be fun to find out!

The Korean Garands belong to Korea. They bought them from the USA. These are the rifles that Barak and Hillary stopped from being imported 8 years ago. My guess is they still want to sell them but who knows when that will happen. The U.S. Government may get back the Philippine Garands and if so they may end up in the CMP hands. There is no date discussed that I have seen. Iran also has some Garands. I don't see them coming back anytime soon. If ever.

The Cliff Notes version as I understand it, when Garands were being distributed to our allies, there were two programs. One program, the Garands were loaned to the country. These Garands remained the property of the United States military or Department of Defense, etc. and when the country was done with them, they came back to the United States. Except for the batch that fed Cap'n Crunch, these ultimately made it to CMP for sale.

The other program, the country would buy the Garands. These became property of the country and the United States had no interest in them any more. South Korea bought their Garands and as such, they are theirs to do what they want with.

As a side note, all of the Garands with importer marks on them (Blue Sky, etc) were purchased Garands and not part of the loaner program.

Anyone with better information, please feel free to add information or make corrections. Hope this reduces some of the confusion.

I used to buy surplus ww2 crated jeeps for $47 from the local reserve unit. Na, that was an urban legend too.

Needs an asterisk.
Garands & Carbines from Korea were Korean military owend, and were meant for retail sale in the US. That importation was blocked by presidential instruction.
Garands from the Philippines were US Property on load to the Philippine military, and, if returned, would be returned to DoD. DoD would, typically, devolve those to CMP. Last time-line I saw was that any such deal would not see weapons in the CMP racks for at least 12-18 months. But, that was presuming that the CMP armorers can find enough there to put up on the racks.

PapaG said:

I used to buy surplus ww2 crated jeeps for $47 from the local reserve unit. Na, that was an urban legend too.

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Would gladly trade a Garand for one of those Jeeps.

Justin Thyme said:

Stupid Question I'm sure- but what is the CMP?

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Google is your friend. However, you can click the link for their webpage.
http://thecmp.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Marksmanship_Program



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If they are anything like the Blue Sky gun I bought when they came ( and Garands were scarce upon the ground so I got excited and stupid) they might make great starting points for a decorative floor light stand. When I took it back to the store that traded me for it they were embarrassed at having sold it enough they offered me a better rifle. First few five shot groups at 100 yards with some Winchester made M2 for the Dominican Republic (great ammo and brass that was BTW) messured 6 to 8 inches. The butt plate was worn nearly smooth. Gas cylinder barrel splines were beat up and the groves for them wallowed out so bad that the front sights were never in the same place twice. Seventh round clip ejection.....you name it, they were all there. A couple of nights before I decided to try to express my rage at the dealer I noticed something glowing in the corner behind my bedroom door about 3 AM.....there was what I thought was a dot of white paint in a small hole below the rear aperature that was glowing in the dark......five hours after lights out. I think it might have been old clock face radium paint. Great, not only a pile of junk , but a radioactive pile of junk!

I got the impression that rifle may have been stored in an old barn for daily issue to troops running an obstical/confidence/illfentration course.....as a punishment detail.

Hopefully any Korean Garands that may at some point make it into the US in the future will be I better shape.

Wow that was three decades ago. Oddly I passed that store yesterday and they had a sign out front mentioning they had a Ruger Blackhawk Pervertable 9/.357 in stock. I dashed in to ask if it was used and from the owners personal collection. Alas it was new, for Even 30 plus years own I want my Ruger BH Pervertable that was part of that trade back.

Synchronisity in THR yet again.

-kBob

Seventh round clip ejection.....

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Here's a tip to fix the 7th round "blues".

Follower arms wear in the hole for pin that holds bullet guide, follower arm and op-rod catch to the receiver and throws it out of time, allowing clip ejection on 7th round; severe wear can cause clip ejection on 6th round.

This can be corrected by bending the follower arm using a vice or a simple tool you can make (see pics), a brass punch and 2 or 3# hammer and a machinist's rule:



Place the worn follower in between vice jaws (not tight; just close enough together to use jaws as an anvil against the cross pins) after marking near center as shown and measure distance from your jig (or vice) to top of follower @ mark.



Place your brass punch (suggest a bit larger than the one show) at your mark and tap briskly w/hammer; check measurement and repeat until you have bent the follower about 1/32" at the mark.



Assemble rifle and test fire.

If still ejects prematurely, repeat above.


Suggest you have a new follower on hand in event you get carried away and bend it a bit too far, but I have yet to need the new one.

Over the years, replaced follower arms, op rod springs, firing pins, ejectors, extractors (w/retainer & spring) in that order, but considering the thousands of rounds fired, breakage was very light. Never replaced a clip latch or clip latch spring, though. The Garand is a very sturdy and dependable rifle!

Regards,
hps

kBob mentioned the "Blue Sky" guns that were imported back in the latter 1980's, (Blue Sky Productions was the name of the importing co., IIRC). I'm pretty sure those were imported from Korea because I purchased one of them in early 1991. It, too, was worn out; the bore had very little rifling left, the op-rod spring was broken in two places, and the chamber was pitted so badly that it wouldn't extract a fired case. But it was cheap and had a 5 digit serial number on the Springfield receiver so I foolishly bought it, ( I should have walked away from it). So now I'm wondering if perhaps Korea unloaded all or most of their M-1's back in the 1980's? I know a lot of them came here from Korea back in those days.

I have not heard numbers, but from the recent discussions over the past 5-8 years, Korea must still have a sizable quantity of Garands in their inventory.

cfullgraf said:

Korea must still have a sizable quantity of Garands

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They did. ROK Air Foce used their largely for Boot Camp. ROK Armyused them all over, then retired them to reserves, then training. ROK national police forces had/have quite a few. Largest batch still held was by ROK Marines.

My understanding is that the last batch, from 8-10 years ago, the batch blocked from importation, was all the left-over surplus Garands and Carbines held by ROK Army and Police forces, who wanted funds to upgrade their arms. Who ever asked for the baksheesh did not get it, and the the import was banned. What happened to all those arms (a few dozen CONEXs worth) I never heard. Those would have gone to private dealers only, for retail sale.

Now, the Philippine return--if/when it occurrs--would be Republic of Philippines to United States government. The USG would pass those to DRMO (Defense Reutilization Marketing Office) who would, per regulation pass them to, and only to, the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program), who would only sell to qualified persons directly, and not to dealers.

The CMP has a process, whereby armorers inspect the arms given to them (they break them out of delivery cases) and check them with go/no go gauges, muzzle and throat erosion gauges and the like. They are then rough graded. Really bad stocks are replaced. Really bad barrels are replaced as well. Sometimes the weapons are merely brocken down for whatever usable parts they contain. CMP does not sell junk.

no rumor, i bought a olive green harley davidson 45 CID motorcycle for 200.00 new in a government crate at a military surplus outlet in 1963 in san antonio texas.i rode the dog **** out of it and sold it when i got transfered. i wish i could have kept it. eastbank.

Personally I do not like the CMP policy of selling M-1s in plural form to anyone. Once upon a time it was a one time per life deal and there were plenty of Garands available. Amazingly with "how many do you want?" We are short M-1s.....at least M-1s cheap enough for someone to get, that is not a serious collector or full bore gun nut! There are folks that buy the CMP guns NOT FOR CIVILIAN MARKS MANSHIP by them selves and family, but simply to turn around at a profit. Go to any gun show these days and you will find CMP guns on tables for a 30 percent or more mark up. These are guns that never saw a day of training a civilian marksmanship before they ended up on those tables.

At the very least I think CMP should limit purchases to a single rifle per person per year.

Taught any folks to shoot lately?

-kBob

PapaG said:

I used to buy surplus ww2 crated jeeps for $47 from the local reserve unit. Na, that was an urban legend too.

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I'm not so sure it is. We had a jeep on the farm in the early 60's. My dad who was infantry in ww2 said it was gov't issue but I'm not certain. He didn't get it from an auction though, he bought it from a friend of his. I know the difference now between the 46 Willys CJ2 and one built during the war for the military. They look a lot alike and shared some parts. At the time I was about 14 and really can't remember much about that jeep except I drove it bunch on the farm. My dad more or less gave it to me and my brother to take care of livestock and irrigation chores.

kBob said:

Once upon a time it was a one time per life deal and there were plenty of Garands available. ... There are folks that buy the CMP guns NOT FOR CIVILIAN MARKS MANSHIP by them selves and family ...

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Once upon a time, the DCM was taxpayer funded. Now that it's the CMP (a congressionally chartered corporation), they are funded only by rifle and ammunition sales. They have stated quite publically that they do not want to be in the business of selling rifles, and will be happy when there are no more.

"No one" is getting a well-worn CMP Garand to compete with; that's not their mission. Their charter, and the law, is to "...[give priority to] train youth participants in firearms safety and competition" which is what the rifle sales allow them to do.