National African American Gun Association info

Just looked at their web site. Has a "join" and "donate" link. Looks to me like information is there.

Yes, I've heard of them but am not a member. Their facebook page appears to show a good and sincere effort to introduce, educate and inform African Americans and others on safe firearm use and the shooting sports:

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1552347368360775&tsid=0.9033441703429806&source=result

I also read a news article about their rapid membership growth in the past year.

Let's hope they are legit and not another Soros-Bloomberg fake "I'm a (gun owner, hunter, target shooter, skeet shooter etc.) and we need (reasonable gun control, gun safety, universal background checks) to save the children." front organization.

Why would there be a need for a gun organization based on skin color?

John_R said:

Why would there be a need for a gun organization based on skin color?

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Probably to help counteract the stereotype that gun owners are all fat old white males living in rural areas. Other gun owner organizations for groups not commonly thought to be gun-friendly include the Pink Pistols, and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

Why would there be a need for a gun organization based on skin color?

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Because certain segments of certain populations (larger portions of some than others) insist that their every action be viewed through the lens of skin color (yes, there's a word for this). Unfortunately, many of the remainder are in turn intimidated by these segregationists into rejecting interaction with those outside the group, which makes the leap to an organization like the NRA too great a distance for some. If NAAGA works to encourage the pursuit of collaboration/common cause with the NRA and other more inclusive gun rights groups, they could perhaps be more effective at bringing such people into alignment with our shared ideals regarding gun rights than we melanin-challenged people. As an additional benefit, perhaps such common interaction would allow them to move beyond their segregated world view, even though this positive outcome is really outside the gun rights mission (but still worth encouraging)

Looking over NAAGA's website, I enjoy the very positive and friendly attitude toward firearms and the related gun culture. No hostility or defensiveness or militant attitude as is often seen in the groups inspired by the old self-defense leagues of the civil rights era (which range from off-putting to full-bore supremacist bile). Very much like any other 'Gun Culture 2.0' collaboration, only black-centric to emphasize the interests of its target audience. Very encouraging development on the gun rights scene from what I can tell, and I hope they go far.

Hopefully they don't end up taking the easier (and possibly more lucrative) path of pandering to bigotry, and insist upon being an isolated entity hostile to the NRA that acts more as a spoiler & troublemaker than ally (i.e. NAGR & its affiliated groups). I remain somewhat skeptical due to consistent past hostility by racially-aligned groups toward all manner of inclusive gun rights efforts, but the emphasis on education and Frederick Douglas' attitude toward our common rights & responsibilities gives me great hope for NAAGA as well. The historical depiction of gun rights in America being both fundamental and largely denied to blacks for much of our history is accurate to my understanding, though it does focus more heavily on the militia aspect than usually seen (black militia have been an intermittent counterpoint to official abuse for centuries). Huey P Newton is featured prominently as a positive figure, but the fact is that as far as gun-rights, he was undoubtedly important in preserving what little desire for the RKBA still remains in black communities today, despite his very checkered character (and with less emphasis on racial violence or communist revolution than others). Especially as it concerns historical figures on the gun-rights side, there are practically none that were morally unambiguous, regardless their skin color, so the best we can do is emphasize their positive impacts & ideals, and this is exactly what NAAGA appears to be striving for.

TCB

Interesting. I'm a black guy that is just making the move from NRA Life to NRA Endowment. I've never heard of NAAGA.

So I am skeptical but interested. If they have a no compromise, constitutionalist mission - I'm interested. Maybe this group can be positioned to influence black activists' and lawmakers' understanding of my feelings of safety and security. Criminals break laws, so QUIT trying to take defensive tools away from me and those that favor societal progress.

Yes, I believe that I am racially over represented in the make-believe and fairy tale camps. Now that I've voiced my immediate skepticism ... I hope I'm wrong and I'm off to learn things.

I'm not gay but support the Pink Pistols. It's a must to support any organization that has it's head on straight to preserve our rights.

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I've often said we should consider adapting some of the methods of the Gay Rights movement -- "we're here, we're armed, and won't be disarmed" and maybe some "Gun Pride" parades.

wally said:

we need (reasonable gun control, gun safety, universal background checks)

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There is a statement regarding background checks on their site.

To their credit, they do not mention universal checks, but favor the status quo. Not great, but not bad either.

TCB

ACLU and NRA are against adding the Terror Watchlist [unadjudicated, no due process appeal if wrongly listed] to the NICS Prohibited Person database [which is supposed to be adjudicated with due process appeal].

NAAGA is for it.

NRA does not have race or ethnicity on its membership form or records, so black membership is unknown. I made a point of voting for Roy Innis of CORE everytime he ran for NRA board of directors. NRA runs many programs for the shooting sports and the gun club I belong to is NRA and CMP affiliated; NRA-ILA supports positions on legislation that I agree with most of the time. I feel my NRA dues (and occassional voluntary donation to NRA-ILA) benefit me and otehr gun owners.

NAAGA ask for money, they post talking points, they do .... what?

After AHSA I tend to question groups claiming to support gun rights.

Carl N. Brown said:

ACLU and NRA are against adding the Terror Watchlist [unadjudicated, no due process appeal if wrongly listed] to the NICS Prohibited Person database [which is supposed to be adjudicated with due process appeal].

NAAGA is for it.

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I saw that. They need to change that if they want my support, and most likely a lot of others' support.

I can't be a part of something that divides constitutional rights along race.

Being for gun rights should be irrespective of skin color. It serves as only one more thing to potentially divide the community.

John_R said:

Why would there be a need for a gun organization based on skin color?

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I'm not African-American, so I can't speak to how African-Americans may feel the need to organize and join something like NAAGA. But a copy and past of their vision statement below says the following:

THE GOAL OF THE NATIONAL AFRICAN AMERICAN GUN ASSOCIATION IS TO HAVE EVERY AFRICAN AMERICAN INTRODUCED TO FIREARM USE FOR HOME PROTECTION, COMPETITIVE SHOOTING, AND OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. WE ARE A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION FOCUSED ON SELF PRESERVATION OF OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH ARMED PROTECTION AND COMMUNITY BUILDING.

THE NATIONAL AFRICAN AMERICAN GUN ASSOCIATION PROVIDES A NETWORK FOR ALL AFRICAN AMERICAN FIREARM OWNERS, GUN CLUBS AND OUTDOOR ENTHUSIASTS.

WE WELCOME PEOPLE OF ALL RELIGIOUS, SOCIAL, AND RACIAL PERSPECTIVES . WE ESPECIALLY WELCOME AFRICAN AMERICAN MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ACTIVE/RETIRED MILITARY.

I can't find anything wrong with their statement, and I notice they welcome all people. I don't know much about NAAGA, but the little I know of it doesn't lead me to believe it's a "front organization" for gun control like AHSA, which I admittedly had never heard of until I googled them just now. I see NAAGA more as an organization designed to educate the importance of the 2nd Amendment to a group of Americans historically disenfranchised from American society through decades of forced segregation, "separate but supposedly equal" laws, racial prejudice and arguably discriminatory gun control laws (https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html). I think it's great if other groups of Americans learn about and exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. I would think it can only benefit all of us who also try to exercise those rights and try to enjoy the shooting sports.

Shall not be infringed....all Americans. Period.

Are there National White People's Gun Associations too?

I'm against these racist, segregationist groups, but I'm old fashioned.

Last I checked, the NRA welcomed everyone.

ChuteTheMall said:

Are there National White People's Gun Associations too?

I'm against these racist, segregationist groups, but I'm old fashioned.

Last I checked, the NRA welcomed everyone.

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NRA does welcome everyone.

But let's do a thought experiment... Imagine you are a person who grew up in a liberal city, now add to that being a woman, Jew, or black person. Maybe having a gun organization oriented to your particular group makes it less scary to take that first class.

I have no problem with minority groups coming together to call attention to 2nd amendment issues (or whatever issue).

That terrorist watch list, though.... What are they thinking? That part I don't get. I'm just a white guy, so what do I know?

I'll stick with the NRA and RMGO.

John_R said:

Why would there be a need for a gun organization based on skin color?

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I'd have a little more respect for this group if it would just own what it is and be a skin color oriented organization. I am skeptical of any organization that uses the descriptor "African American" when what they really mean is black... Why dance around it? Is an American born black man with Australian lineage welcome as well? There are a tremendous number of people all over the United States who most would perceive as black but who are not "African American."

And , I know a white lady who is from South Africa.

If there were a National Caucasian American Gun Association, I would not be a member.
I won't be joining the NAAGA either.