just guessing here. But I would guess one or more chambers are not in correct alignment with the forcing cone. the bullet is hitting the cone off centered, and if the projectile is also hardened just add to the problem
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I have another thread about a Taurus 66 that I'm considering getting rid for maybe a k frame 38. But the more I handle the 1858 the more I like it compared to a double action. It feels better in my hand and seems to point more naturally.
I'm thinking now to go with a 45 colt cylinder and a Rossi 92 to go with it.
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just guessing here. But I would guess one or more chambers are not in correct alignment with the forcing cone. the bullet is hitting the cone off centered, and if the projectile is also hardened just add to the problem
I cannot speak for Kirst, but my 1858 Remingtons with their R&D cylinders are the most accurate 45 Colt revolvers I own. More accurate than my Uberti Cattleman, more accurate than my Rugers, even more accurate than my Colts. This is because the cylinders are made to tighter tolerances than the cylinders of any of those other revolvers. In fact, when I load 45 Colt, I use one of my R&D cylinders as a cartridge gauge. If a completed round drops into the R&D chambers, it will always drop into the looser toleranced chambers of the other revolvers. I can tell you that with R&D cylinders there is no way any of the chambers would not be in correct alignment with the bore.
I suspect it is the same with Kirst.
I do remember reading however that in order to get 6 rounds of the rimmed 45C into the diameter of the cylinder Howell designed the conversion cylinder with its chambers angled back to front two degrees off center, the bullet does enter the cone at a corresponding angle. The Kirst is a five shot.
That is incorrect. The chambers in the 6 shot 45 Colt conversion cylinders for the 1858 Remington are angled out less than 1/2 of one degree towards the rear so the rims will not overlap.
The angle of the cross section in this pamphlet that came with my cylinders is exaggerated to illustrate the idea.
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As I said earlier, my conversion cylinder equipped Remmies are the most accurate 45 Colt revolvers I own, more accurate than my Uberti, Rugers, or Colts. It is the close tolerancing of the chambers that makes them so accurate. The bullet impacting the forcing cone with less than 1/2 of one degree has no measurable effect on accuracy.
As a matter of fact, when Ken Howell first came up with the idea of angling the chambers he obtained a patent on the idea. At the time he was the exclusive manufacturer of six shot Remington conversion cylinders, and Taylors was his only customer. All other dealers and distributors selling these cylinders were obtaining them from Taylors. When Howell decided to start his own conversion cylinder company, Howell Old West Conversions, he sold the patent to Taylors. Taylors now has a new manufacturer making their cylinders, but they own the patent rights to the angled chambers. That is why Howell cannot offer a six shot 45 Colt conversion cylinder for the Remington 1858 in his new company.
Kirst went a different direction. His cylinders were five shot because he knew he could not fit six 45 Colt rims onto a Remington 1858 sized cylinder. To satisfy CAS requirements of leaving one chamber under the hammer empty, he came up with the idea of a 'dummy' chamber, of smaller diameter, that did not go all the way through. That way CAS shooters could legally load five chambers, and leave the 'dummy' chamber empty.
We understand however that some shooters on this forum are more accurate than the guns they shoot.
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Nobody has posted anything about the other Remington, the .36. I have one of the older Euroarms .36 Remington's which is built on the correct smaller frame as the originals were. Put it side by side with either the .45 &.36 Remingtons built today and it is noticeably smaller, between 3\4 to 2\3rd size of the .45. I have a 6 shot R&D conversion cylinder that came with it. The first thing I noticed when purchasing this gun is how when in your hand it feels more like a Colt 1851-1873 than a .45 Remington. It just kind of falls naturally in my hand much like a Colt 1851-1873 or clones of them. Needless to say it is my favorite Remington(also have 2 .45 versions)and is very accurate with the conversion cylinder using hollow based .38 bullets. All the other .36 Remingtons are built on the same larger frame .45's and actually weigh more than the .45's.